Does Cameron count? Really?

[jmanner]

I researched this only so that my 9 ascents of Cameron will count toward my peak totals.

[mountaingoat-G]

too much focus on "lists" IMO

[wildlobo71]

too much focus on "lists" IMO

Yes, because they are something tangible to people... many people's brains work that way, nothing wrong with it - and we are having just as much fun as the rest of the free-spirited climbers who climb to climb.

I have lists that keep track of my lists. Cameron is on one of those lists; above the one list tracking how old the Scope Mouthwash and other medicinals in my guest room cabinet are.

[Imcp]

I don't think of the lists as lists to be checked off; I look at them as a convenient way to track which peaks I have summited at some point. Hiking and climbing are not objective based, at least for me.

As for Cameron, I'm counting it because otherwise I haven't experienced sunrise from the top of a 14er yet.

[drfredericks]

On a similar note, I am planning Democrat, Cameron, Lincoln and Bross in several weeks. I noticed the nearby peak "South Bross" at 14,020 but do not see it on the list of 58. Is anyone familiar with why it is not included. Thanks, Jason.

[Doctor No]

too much focus on "lists" IMO

I'm a mathematician / actuary. I nerd out about all of my hobbies.

[TaylorHolt]

On a similar note, I am planning Democrat, Cameron, Lincoln and Bross in several weeks. I noticed the nearby peak "South Bross" at 14,020 but do not see it on the list of 58. Is anyone familiar with why it is not included. Thanks, Jason.

If you look at your peak list on this site, you'll see a number of peaks like "South Bross" shown in quotation marks. These are not officially named 14ers, and all of them are unranked. The list of 58 is all of officially named 14ers. There are 15 additional unnamed, unranked peaks that expand the list to 73. Many people choose to do these after finishing the list of 58. Clear as mud?

[Oman]

The only people chasing a list of 58 are people on this website. Nobody (or hardly anybody) ever heard of a list of 58 until Bill changed this website's checklist a few years back and added a few "peaks" that were named on USGS maps but never considered part of the list by Colorado Mountain Club or Colorado Fourteeners Initiative.

My bet is that most people hiking 14ers are not on this website, though most recent "finishers," whatever that means, have at least checked in here.

According to mainly Roof of the Rockies, here is the timeline of the 14ers list: (Please feel free to make corrections.)

46 peaks -- 1923, when Carl Blaurock and William Ervin become the first to summit them all.
51 peaks -- 1937, after a government re-survey adds several peaks, including Capitol. At some point, I think Grizzly and Stewart were on the list, but dropped after re-surveys found them under 14,0000 feet.
52 peaks -- 1940, after a government re-survey adds another peak (not sure which one)
53 peaks -- 1955. USGS survey adds Missouri Mountain.
"About 54 peaks" -- current CMC count, depending on what you do with North Maroon, El Diente, and Challenger.
58 peaks -- within last six years -- 14ers.com lists Cameron, Conundrum, and North Eolus, even though the last one is not a mountain.

[wildlobo71]

On a similar note, I am planning Democrat, Cameron, Lincoln and Bross in several weeks. I noticed the nearby peak "South Bross" at 14,020 but do not see it on the list of 58. Is anyone familiar with why it is not included. Thanks, Jason.

If you look at your peak list on this site, you'll see a number of peaks like "South Bross" shown in quotation marks. These are not officially named 14ers, and all of them are unranked. The list of 58 is all of officially named 14ers. There are 15 additional unnamed, unranked peaks that expand the list to 73. Many people choose to do these after finishing the list of 58. Clear as mud?

Many? I know of two so far... Britt and Greg. Most people don't bother since the last thing they want to is go back to "just" climb South Wilson, or go back to "just" climb South Little Bear, or North Snowmass... Most, not all - I am one of the stupid few.

[onebyone]

Agree and disagree. Most people in Colorado are well aware that there is a 14er list. And yeah, maybe they don't know if its 54 or 58 or whatever. And most people here think it is a big accomplishment to get the list whatever that may be.
And does it matter if Cameron counts. It's almost impossible not to do it. If you didn't climb Cameron or Conundrum, no one is going to give a s**t. But if you pass on N Maroon, well….. game on! I guess no matter how much we say we're in it for just the climbing, we're still obsessed by "the list."

[Scott P]

52 peaks -- 1940, after a government re-survey adds another peak (not sure which one)

I assume Holy Cross. Old maps show it as 13,996'.

53 peaks -- 1955. USGS survey adds Missouri Mountain.

"About 54 peaks" -- current CMC count, depending on what you do with North Maroon, El Diente, and Challenger.

For a long time, Ellingwood Point wasn't considered to be a separate peak. Since the 300' prominence rule became trendy, the current list has 53 (which is also the most common one to use), at least by interpolated saddle elevations.

If you don't count interpolated saddle elevations, and use clean prominence, Challenger Point and Bross drop off the list, making 51.

Of all the different counts, 51 or 53 is the most logical one to use because it actually uses a set criteria for determining a separate peak. The 54 list does not.

[TravelingMatt]

According to mainly Roof of the Rockies, here is the timeline of the 14ers list: (Please feel free to make corrections.)

46 peaks -- 1923, when Carl Blaurock and William Ervin become the first to summit them all.
51 peaks -- 1937, after a government re-survey adds several peaks, including Capitol. At some point, I think Grizzly and Stewart were on the list, but dropped after re-surveys found them under 14,0000 feet.
52 peaks -- 1940, after a government re-survey adds another peak (not sure which one)
53 peaks -- 1955. USGS survey adds Missouri Mountain.
"About 54 peaks" -- current CMC count, depending on what you do with North Maroon, El Diente, and Challenger.
58 peaks -- within last six years -- 14ers.com lists Cameron, Conundrum, and North Eolus, even though the last one is not a mountain.

This post I made a few years ago, showing a 1942 Colorado state highway map listing 50 14ers, may be of interest. It included Stewart, which has since been demoted. Grizzly was shown on the map at 14,020 feet (a scan further down in that thread shows this) but it was not on the list.

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