Combo - Dem, Cam, Lincoln, Bross

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Combo - Dem, Cam, Lincoln, Bross

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I reviewed the threads & didn't see this question. I am planning on doing the DCLB combo in 2 weeks (legally on Bross, of course). Background: Just did Harvard/Columbia Combo and Shavano on back to back days. Soloed Shav, RT time in 4:20 (ascent 2:50, 4,600ft). My guess is this translates roughly to a 1.6k/hr vertical speed rate(?).

Question 1: Given this info, how long should I expect the DCLB route to take?

Question 2: I see the route climb times are generally quick (under 4-5 hours) for DCLB. If I start very early & all goes well, would it be crazy to consider attempting Quandary Peak the same day as well? How long does it take to drive from Kite Lake up CO 9 to the Quandary trailhead?

Thanks for any help, guys.
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Re: Combo - Dem, Cam, Lincoln, Bross

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Nice work on Shavano - that's a good clip!

If you can maintain 1.6k / hr on decalibron, you could probably expect to be done in 4 hours if you don't spend a ton of time on each summit - Shavano is longer in both elevation gain and mileage.

As for Quandary, it's certainly doable in the same day if you're in excellent shape, but weather could pose a problem. Budget an hour to get from trailhead to trailhead (though it may take a bit less)
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Re: Combo - Dem, Cam, Lincoln, Bross

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Question 2: I see the route climb times are generally quick (under 4-5 hours) for DCLB. If I start very early & all goes well, would it be crazy to consider attempting Quandary Peak the same day as well? How long does it take to drive from Kite Lake up CO 9 to the Quandary trailhead?

You may have only looked at the first page of the User Climb Times. There are 3 more pages of data. Also, keep in mind that the sample is only of those who report their times. Yesterday our group did it in 6 hrs. 45 min. but we weren't going for speed.

Driving from Kite Lake to Alma took us maybe 20 min. Be careful, I've seen on this forum recently that the Alma PD has been ticketing for speed on that road. From Alma to the Quandary TH I'd say 15-20 min.
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Re: Combo - Dem, Cam, Lincoln, Bross

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For the Democrat, Lincoln, Bross route, not including stopped time at summits, it might take you about 4-4.5 hours I think. (though maybe faster, you seem like a fairly quick hiker).

For Quandary Peak, it might take you 5-7 hours to do, total, not including stopped time. I looked on google maps, and it shows 14 miles, or 36 minutes between the trailheads. If the weather is great, and you leave super early, you might be able to do both routes. If the weather is fabulous, you could probably do both starting at a regular early time. (5-6). If there's a possibility of storms in the afternoon, you'll probably want to start super early. (1 or 2).

If you like running, you can cut down a ton of time on Quandary, and from Cameron to Lincoln, and from Lincoln to Bross by jogging some.
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bdloftin77 wrote:For the Democrat, Lincoln, Bross route, not including stopped time at summits, it might take you about 4-4.5 hours I think. (though maybe faster, you seem like a fairly quick hiker).

For Quandary Peak, it might take you 5-7 hours to do, total, not including stopped time. I looked on google maps, and it shows 14 miles, or 36 minutes between the trailheads. If the weather is great, and you leave super early, you might be able to do both routes. If the weather is fabulous, you could probably do both starting at a regular early time. (5-6). If there's a possibility of storms in the afternoon, you'll probably want to start super early. (1 or 2).

If you like running, you can cut down a ton of time on Quandary, and from Cameron to Lincoln, and from Lincoln to Bross by jogging some.
Quandary will not take you 5-7 hours, it's a 7 mile loop.

Start DeCaLiBron at 4:30am, you're back to the trailhead by 9:0. It takes you an hour before you're ready to hike on Quandary. 10am start and it's another 4-4.5 hours. You're back down by 2:30. The nice thing about Quandary is that you start and end below treeline so you're sort of protected if the weather does roll in. The trail is wide, and you can run it easily as well.
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Re: Combo - Dem, Cam, Lincoln, Bross

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Thanks guys. Great info & context.

Further rumination: Since I ran down Shav (4.65M down) in 86 min on a steeper grade than Quandary, I think I'll take the 4 am start time advice above. (Subject to weather projections) Quandary round trip should be done in 3:45 flat or the day has gone terribly wrong.
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Post by akoller »

I would think Quandary should take about half the time of Shav/Tab, maybe even less.
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Did this a couple years back, Quandary first. Wanted to make a run at Sherman the same day just to see if I could, but the weather was a bit iffy, so I decided better of it. Here is a trip report with all my times listed. Hope it helps!

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Sure its possible, you just need to start early and have a little luck with the weather...heck why stop at 5? Just keep on going.
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Re: Combo - Dem, Cam, Lincoln, Bross

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JDG7 wrote:I reviewed the threads & didn't see this question. I am planning on doing the DCLB combo in 2 weeks (legally on Bross, of course). Background: Just did Harvard/Columbia Combo and Shavano on back to back days. Soloed Shav, RT time in 4:20 (ascent 2:50, 4,600ft). My guess is this translates roughly to a 1.6k/hr vertical speed rate(?).

Question 1: Given this info, how long should I expect the DCLB route to take?

Question 2: I see the route climb times are generally quick (under 4-5 hours) for DCLB. If I start very early & all goes well, would it be crazy to consider attempting Quandary Peak the same day as well? How long does it take to drive from Kite Lake up CO 9 to the Quandary trailhead?

Thanks for any help, guys.
How does one go about climbing Bross legally?
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GErickson wrote:
JDG7 wrote:I reviewed the threads & didn't see this question. I am planning on doing the DCLB combo in 2 weeks (legally on Bross, of course). Background: Just did Harvard/Columbia Combo and Shavano on back to back days. Soloed Shav, RT time in 4:20 (ascent 2:50, 4,600ft). My guess is this translates roughly to a 1.6k/hr vertical speed rate(?).

Question 1: Given this info, how long should I expect the DCLB route to take?

Question 2: I see the route climb times are generally quick (under 4-5 hours) for DCLB. If I start very early & all goes well, would it be crazy to consider attempting Quandary Peak the same day as well? How long does it take to drive from Kite Lake up CO 9 to the Quandary trailhead?

Thanks for any help, guys.
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Only the true summit is closed to the public. You can get within a few yards of it legally, and its not really any different
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Re: Combo - Dem, Cam, Lincoln, Bross

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Mountaineering is an imperfect science. Sometimes people get off route and need to find their way back to the main trail. Sometimes while they're off route, searching for the correct way, they happen upon a landmark that can help them. Sometimes this landmark might be a summit.
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