Little bear safety
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Little bear safety
I know at some point I want to summit little bear. Is it safest to attempt in the summer or in late spring as a snow climb?
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Re: Little bear safety
Depends on your snow climbing ability. I did the SW Ridge route and, while it's long, exposed, and difficult, it's safer than the hourglass (from what I've been told).
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Re: Little bear safety
Ditto. Was there 3 weeks ago. It's loose and exposed, but we kept it at class 3, though most choose to stay on the ridge (class 4). Regarding a snow climb I have minimal skills personally, but read NYker's trip report from this spring, and I'm sure many others to gain a better perspective on the pros and cons of a snow climb attempt.ameristrat wrote:Depends on your snow climbing ability. I did the SW Ridge route and, while it's long, exposed, and difficult, it's safer than the hourglass (from what I've been told).
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Re: Little bear safety
Have done both but if I had to do it again, I would do it in the spring with snow on the hourglass. I walked up that thing in 20 mins. Took me an hour and a half in the dryness of summer.
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Re: Little bear safety
Your snow skills need to be up to snuff, meaning you better be able to self-arrest a fall in the hourglass. If you're not sure you could, snow may not be the best.
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Re: Little bear safety
To add another question, is the traverse from Blanca any better, or are the Hourglass or SW Ridge routes better bets?
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Re: Little bear safety
The traverse from Blanca is magnitudes greater in difficulty and exposure. So if by better you mean safer, then I would say no.bdloftin77 wrote:To add another question, is the traverse from Blanca any better, or are the Hourglass or SW Ridge routes better bets?
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Re: Little bear safety
Having done it as a snow climb this year, I have to say that I'm a bit mixed about whether or not it is actually any safer to do one way or another. The snow significantly reduces the rockfall hazard, but it increases the consequences of a fall. IMO, with snow, once you start off from the top of the north couloir you are in no-fall terrain pretty much until you make it back. Without snow, that ridge is slower going, but the consequences of a fall are less severe.
The hourglass itself is a pretty easy snow climb by most standards if the snow conditions are favorable. You might have a few ice or mixed moves if you wait too long into the season to get after it. Above the hourglass, you are in no-fall terrain again. I would say that self-arrest is not realistic above the hourglass. If you fall, you probably die. Below the hourglass, you could probably self-arrest if you catch yourself early enough and/or if the snow is soft enough. If it's hard or icy, then you probably die too.
I know that sounds super dangerous, but you have to keep it in perspective. The fall danger can be mitigated by making careful placements with your feet and axe, and taking your time. With rockfall, you're basically rolling the dice and hoping they don't come up snake eyes. I'd much rather do Little Bear as a snow climb, but it's a serious climb and should not be underestimated.
The hourglass itself is a pretty easy snow climb by most standards if the snow conditions are favorable. You might have a few ice or mixed moves if you wait too long into the season to get after it. Above the hourglass, you are in no-fall terrain again. I would say that self-arrest is not realistic above the hourglass. If you fall, you probably die. Below the hourglass, you could probably self-arrest if you catch yourself early enough and/or if the snow is soft enough. If it's hard or icy, then you probably die too.
I know that sounds super dangerous, but you have to keep it in perspective. The fall danger can be mitigated by making careful placements with your feet and axe, and taking your time. With rockfall, you're basically rolling the dice and hoping they don't come up snake eyes. I'd much rather do Little Bear as a snow climb, but it's a serious climb and should not be underestimated.
Re: Little bear safety
So, what he said is 100% right. With snow, if you fall you self arresting or you are dead, same with above the hourglass(which I really doubt you could self arrest in several places). I guess the trade off is: with snow its up to you not to kill yourself over a long part of the climb or summer hope noone, thing or god/fate/etc. kicks rocks down on you during the hourglass. http://www.14ers.com/php14ers/triprepor ... m=tripuser" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Prick and my Trip report from April. Give you some idea...pseudoghost wrote:Having done it as a snow climb this year, I have to say that I'm a bit mixed about whether or not it is actually any safer to do one way or another. The snow significantly reduces the rockfall hazard, but it increases the consequences of a fall. IMO, with snow, once you start off from the top of the north couloir you are in no-fall terrain pretty much until you make it back. Without snow, that ridge is slower going, but the consequences of a fall are less severe.
The hourglass itself is a pretty easy snow climb by most standards if the snow conditions are favorable. You might have a few ice or mixed moves if you wait too long into the season to get after it. Above the hourglass, you are in no-fall terrain again. I would say that self-arrest is not realistic above the hourglass. If you fall, you probably die. Below the hourglass, you could probably self-arrest if you catch yourself early enough and/or if the snow is soft enough. If it's hard or icy, then you probably die too.
I know that sounds super dangerous, but you have to keep it in perspective. The fall danger can be mitigated by making careful placements with your feet and axe, and taking your time. With rockfall, you're basically rolling the dice and hoping they don't come up snake eyes. I'd much rather do Little Bear as a snow climb, but it's a serious climb and should not be underestimated.
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Re: Little bear safety
This thread has come up alot...
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Re: Little bear safety
If you are thinking about a snow climb, then I would highly recommend taking an ice climbing clinic in addition to being completely confident in your self arrest skills. My partner and I experienced mixed conditions above the hourglass. We had hoped it would be all snow but knew an ice encounter was a possibility. Taking the ice climbing course prepared me well. Being confident in your technique, stance and abilities is absolutely critical for this mountain. Better to be over-prepared than under!