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Re: Mt. Evans User Fee To Continue

Postby hberry » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:02 pm

D8S wrote:Thanks all for the great comments. Please accept my apologies for being so absent.

As those who have taken the time to read the actual decision understand, the court ignored the plaintiffs' "as-applied" challenge, and alleged that the plaintiffs challenged the Forest Service's implementation of the fee program on its face, alleging that the plaintiffs asserted that every person who has ever been charged the fee, or will ever be charged the fee, is being charged improperly. Reading the arguments makes it clear that the plaintiffs made no such assertions, but simply altruistically included "those similarly situated" in their prayer for court relief. This is what created the problem.

Steaky wrote

It's not the clearest thing in the world. What they need is to have every member of staff sit down together and have a short presentation and discussion on the topic. In fact, I'm sure they do, its just that nobody remembers the same thing.


The simple way to administer the fee in compliance with the law is to charge a fee only for those who stop at the Nature Center. But let's not forget, the Forest Service stated in 2005 "don't advertise this (the ability to visit without paying if you don't use the amenities) capability." It's not a question of communicating with its employees, its a question of the Forest Service choosing to comply with the law.

Inviting members of the Western Slope No-Fee Coalition to sit down with the entrance station attendants would also clarify the issue, but the Forest Service wouldn't like it much. The Custer County Commissioners asked the Forest Service to do just that concerning the So Colony Fee proposal. The Western Slope No-Fee Coalition accepted, and the Forest Service declined.

by hberry » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:14 pm


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I love your comment, though I'm not sure I understand it. The issue that has been beaten to death is that the Forest Service really [i][b]is[b][i] violating the law. That's a given, proven beyond any doubt. That has been proven time and time again. Its only the court that doesn't allow this issue to die, in this case by narrowly focusing on a single statement and ignoring the rest of the evidence.

Dave


Dave-

You're reading too far into my dead horse comment. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum - several times a year someone asks about the fees and it turns into a 20+ page thread about the legal issues surrounding the fees.

The simple answer is - if you're driving your car to the top and not stopping or parking anywhere don't pay the fee. If you are parking in a spot - regardless of whether it is Denver County or NFS property you are likely to be ticketed and expected to pay the fee - but this is the interwebs - and more fun to fight!

I make no stance for or against the fee and I refuse to disclose whether or not I have paid the fee in the two times I have been up the mountain via the road. :mrgreen:

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Re: Mt. Evans User Fee To Continue

Postby D8S » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:50 pm

Thanks h.

I figured as much. But I figured I'd add that as an obtuse way of saying we're all tired of dealing with it, and that its only the fact that things haven't changed that keeps leading to the long threads. Of course the court could have ended it, but didn't. So the saga will continue. Sorry.

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Re: Mt. Evans User Fee To Continue

Postby ClimbandMine » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:32 pm

http://www.metnews.com/sos.cgi?0212%2F10-16711

The district court overturned the lower court's ruling in the Mt. Lemmon case, finding in favor of the plaintiffs that the FLREA prohibits charging a fee for parking and hiking in Nat'l forest lands... Could be interesting for future developments here.
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