Longs Peak rescue

[mtree]

Another recent tragedy on Longs only amplifies Frappier's UNBELIEVABLY LUCKY outcome. But it does not glorify it. Hope we can all gain some perspective from this sobering news.

[TallGrass]

$41k for his "rescue" (even it was just prodding in the form of miscommunication).

But what is the value if his well-publicized situation prevents others from making the same mistake, possibly fatally, and also reduces some of the SAR missions they do NOT have to go out on. Yeah, impossible to calculate perhaps, but worth mulling. I posit that SAR sees some value there, but won't place a number on it.

[hskrhiker]

$41k for his "rescue" (even it was just prodding in the form of miscommunication).

But what is the value if his well-publicized situation prevents others from making the same mistake, possibly fatally, and also reduces some of the SAR missions they do NOT have to go out on. Yeah, impossible to calculate perhaps, but worth mulling. I posit that SAR sees some value there, but won't place a number on it.

What is the value if his well publicized situation and seemingly hero status encourages others to do things that they shouldn't be doing simply because he got very, very lucky?

[boudreaux]

Do us all a favor Bill and erase this entire discussion so some fool doesn't go out and try to do this! This joker was obviously lucky and we don't need a repeat with much more dire consequences!

[rickinco123]

When this thread began I though too many posters were quick to offer snap judgement. Now, with the facts out, and having heard firsthand from Mr. Frappier, I think too many offer praise for his antics. Neither represents a community well.

Praise for his abilities, condemnation for is lack of skill. Not an either/or proposition. If you want community, buy a house in one of those yuppie communes like Stapleton and join the HOA board, this is just the interweb where any random person can get an account and post away. Sorry for keeping this thread alive........ I just couldn't help myself.

[speth]

Do us all a favor Bill and erase this entire discussion so some fool doesn't go out and try to do this! This joker was obviously lucky and we don't need a repeat with much more dire consequences!

Can someone send me the address to AAC? I need to send in a request that they burn every copy of ANAM printed.

[Brian C]

Can someone send me the address to AAC? I need to send in a request that they burn every copy of ANAM printed.

Haha.

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[djkest]

I think Tlongpine did accurately summarize what we know at this point.

[Air Squared]

Another recent tragedy on Longs only amplifies Frappier's UNBELIEVABLY LUCKY outcome. But it does not glorify it. Hope we can all gain some perspective from this sobering news.

Does anybody know anything more about this??

Sounds like he slid all the way down the Trough?

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/ ... /10338271/

This is sad.....they hadn't been able to get to him until today's attempt......and it rained most of last evening and this morning here in Fort Collins.

[jeffth5]

Discussion is here: http://www.14ers.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 46#p529046" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Air Squared]

Thanks!

[madbuck]

As an amateur student of cognitive science (I am sure you are all happy for me), I understand the human need to attribute life's successes and failures to discrete and deliberate actions taken by individuals. It's ingrained in our species, and frankly a big part of our evolutionary success. We have an innate need to feel in control of our fate.
But I think the truth is that the very fine line between success and failure, and living and dying, is often delineated by simple twists of fate.

Praise for his abilities, condemnation for is lack of skill. Not an either/or proposition.

What is the value if his well publicized situation and seemingly hero status encourages others to do things that they shouldn't be doing simply because he got very, very lucky?

Sam as I feel. Doesn't have to be so polarized. I'm happy with Sam's response, he came in and "beat himself up" over acknowledged mistakes. He'll learn and be able to enjoy the mountains with more experience and caution. And he did exhibit some remarkable, uncommon skill. I really appreciate him sharing his post-traumatic thinking process with everyone as well.

Glad he called SAR and it all turned out OK; no matter how the end was reached, that was everyone's goal. I'm always frustrated with the common calls for reparation, or staying at home on the couch (more common on newspaper forums than this board).
But on the flipside, also disappointed with the unquestioning fanboys, salivating at a book/written story, making Honnold comparisons, wanting to meet/climb with him next time (despite an obvious demonstration of a preference to, well, climb alone) <i>because</i> of the situation and celebrity. I'm not sure they've learned the same lessons he has. If 10 people have their backs against the wall and have to attempt a life-risking situation with a 50% fatality rate, 5 of them will still make it. There will always be incredible stories of luck, as well as incredibly skilled/talented people caught in an accident. Life is incredibly nuanced and complicated. None of us are any less -- or more -- special in that overall regard.