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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby BillMiddlebrook » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:33 pm

LOL

Well, I'm not "old and grumpy," afraid of dogs or a foreigner but I think people should keep their dog on a leash when the local regulation requires it (wilderness or not).

pills2619 wrote:I'm tired of the number one complaint about dogs being off leash is that people don't want to be bothered by them.

That's just one issue. There's also the impact on fragile, alpine environments and wildlife.

This will always be a hot topic - some people are too sensitive AND there are too many idiotic pet owners out there. :-"
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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby metalmountain » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:42 pm

pills2619 wrote:Don't use a leash unless near roads. they ruin the fun for you and your dog. People who bitch about leashes have some fear of dogs which they should get over or they are not familiar with the mountains or they are just old and grumpy(old and grumpy might as well be dead or in a nursing home, old and happy is whats up...) The one rule of thumb is yes its your job to make sure that when that person bitch's about your dog, make sure your dog doesn't do anything stupid... and if your dog is actually a menace, thats a great time to keep him on leash. And please don't start complaining about this... you just sound 1. old and grumpy 2. like a whiner who can't get over there fear of mans BEST friend (omg its Godzilla!!! oh wait its just wiggles...) or 3. A foreigner to this land; a good test for this one is whether you gear cost adds up to more than the money you spent on food and gas and beer actually being in the mountains.

sorry thats a little off topic but I've been pissed at this one a$$hole for a while now and I'm tired of the number one complaint about dogs being off leash is that people don't want to be bothered by them. Thats not good enough for me when we spent 7000 years of eugenics creating animals that want nothing more than to run around and work hard and listen to their masters.


Hahaha yeahhh... :yawn:

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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby TallGrass » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:03 pm

I like dogs, grew up with dogs, immediate relatives have dogs, friends have dogs, hunting dogs, show dogs, companion dogs ... I like 'em all. I know it's up to me to make sure a dog in my care doesn't get hurt. Was hiking down to Maroon lake (leaving) when I came to a spot were everyone was slow and quiet because folks were checking out the wildlife (grouse, ptarmigan, or some other birds) and were being careful so they wouldn't spook them away for others. Shortly thereafter I came upon two girls coming the other way with a dog and suggested they might want to leash him because of the wildlife up ahead. "Oh, no. It's fine. He's voice trained." About that time he saw something and like a flash was running through the brush down the hillside with one chasing after yelling, "[dog] STOP! [dog] COME BACK! [dog]!..." I just looked at the other girl for a second then kept hiking down.

Here are five time-tested ways you can train a dog to respond to your comman... SQUIRREL!!!!!!!

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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby Derek » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:44 pm

pills2619 wrote:Don't use a leash unless near roads. they ruin the fun for you and your dog. People who bitch about leashes have some fear of dogs which they should get over or they are not familiar with the mountains or they are just old and grumpy


As I posted on the previous page, I love hiking/climbing with my dog. He almost always wears a backpack, and on the backpack is clipped a retractable leash. When we come across others (which doesn't occur too often, as he's more of a "bushwhacking pup") I always grab the leash out of simple respect of the other people. I dont have a fear of dogs, and I'm not old and grumpy (Maybe grumpy...) even though I'm a part time leasher.

Being "familiar" with the mountains has nothing to do with dogs. Dogs are not a natural mountain item. There are people who go to the mountains to get away from things....like people and dogs. I don't think its too much to ask to be considerate to anyone that may feel this way. That way everyone is having a good day. (The 2 minutes Rufus spends on the leash when meeting someone on the trail isn't hurting his experience....maybe just his pride. :wink: ) And if Rufus runs up on someone when he is unleashed and I'm not paying attention, its not their fault for being "dog haters", and its not Rufus' fault for liking people, its MY fault for not keeping track of my partner.

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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby pills2619 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:03 pm

by familiar I only mean you know how to act around a dog when in the backcountry like don't run or act suspicious. and of course when its there I grab my dog also but hes genrally not right by my side where i can do that.
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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby TallGrass » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:16 pm

:lol: Why don't you just tack your "how to act around my dog" list to every trailhead info board? Different dogs behave differently, just like people. Many who've rescued one from a shelter (God love 'em) know that all too well.
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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby metalmountain » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:26 pm

pills2619 wrote:by familiar I only mean you know how to act around a dog when in the backcountry like don't run or act suspicious. and of course when its there I grab my dog also but hes genrally not right by my side where i can do that.


What about us trail runners? I have definitely had some dogs that were not leashed chase and lunge at me.
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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby DaveSwink » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:35 pm

metalmountain wrote:
pills2619 wrote:by familiar I only mean you know how to act around a dog when in the backcountry like don't run or act suspicious. and of course when its there I grab my dog also but hes genrally not right by my side where i can do that.


What about us trail runners? I have definitely had some dogs that were not leashed chase and lunge at me.


I have been bitten three times while running on trails in 2012. Twice the owners denied it, even when I showed the blood on my calf. They definitely shared the attitude of "just get over it". Even being shoulder blocked at the knees by a friendly dog can result in a rough tumble for runner and dog.

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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby highpilgrim » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:39 pm

dswink wrote:They definitely shared the attitude of "just get over it". Even being shoulder blocked at the knees by a friendly dog can result in a rough tumble for runner and dog.


Expecting some dog owners to respect other's space and experience of the wilderness is futile.

Everyone has to love their puppies just as much as they do. How could it be any other way?
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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby pills2619 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:42 pm

My dog has never had a history of biting anyone and that is why I allow him off leash. My buddy has a German Shepard pup that has bitten someone and I cringe every time he doesn't have a leash on... there are always bad owners
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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby DaveSwink » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:46 pm

pills2619 wrote:My dog has never had a history of biting anyone and that is why I allow him off leash.


Good on you for your consideration. =D> Think about the impact of your dog running up to an oncoming trail runner too, please (for your dog's sake too). Enjoy your hikes with the pup!

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Re: How young is too young for puppies on trail?

Postby rijaca » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:58 pm

pills2619 wrote:Don't use a leash unless near roads. they ruin the fun for you and your dog. People who bitch about leashes have some fear of dogs which they should get over or they are not familiar with the mountains or they are just old and grumpy(old and grumpy might as well be dead or in a nursing home, old and happy is whats up...) The one rule of thumb is yes its your job to make sure that when that person bitch's about your dog, make sure your dog doesn't do anything stupid... and if your dog is actually a menace, thats a great time to keep him on leash. And please don't start complaining about this... you just sound 1. old and grumpy 2. like a whiner who can't get over there fear of mans BEST friend (omg its Godzilla!!! oh wait its just wiggles...) or 3. A foreigner to this land; a good test for this one is whether you gear cost adds up to more than the money you spent on food and gas and beer actually being in the mountains.

sorry thats a little off topic but I've been pissed at this one a$$hole for a while now and I'm tired of the number one complaint about dogs being off leash is that people don't want to be bothered by them. Thats not good enough for me when we spent 7000 years of eugenics creating animals that want nothing more than to run around and work hard and listen to their masters.


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