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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby lpyle » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:54 pm

Dex wrote:
lpyle wrote: I've had the whole bladder freeze solid on Rainier.


Was that a company guide lead climb? If so, did the leader advise people not to use bladders?


Nope, not guided. We didn't realize it got *that* cold on Rainier in summer.
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby RoanMtnMan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:02 pm

Get one of these.

http://www.whittakermountaineering.com/brands/back-country-access/smartube

And attach it to this.

http://store.nalgene.com/product-p/2179-0048.htm

We bought extras a few years ago because it worked so well and at the time it was only available in Europe. We feared, as with so many good products, that it may fade from existence. Glad it didn't. You still have to blow it clear after use, but in a pinch you can just pull out the Nalgene and hydrate old school style. When it is "below zero" cold we put a neoprene sleeve from 40 Below on the bottle.

http://40below.com/products_detail.php?ProductID=28
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby jswiftcervelo » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:34 pm

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Don't try this at home!

But these were the semi-famous shoes I used on La Plata and a 12 hour ordeal on Rinker :)
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby Dex » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:11 pm

RoanMtnMan wrote:Get one of these.

http://www.whittakermountaineering.com/brands/back-country-access/smartube

And attach it to this.

http://store.nalgene.com/product-p/2179-0048.htm

We bought extras a few years ago because it worked so well and at the time it was only available in Europe. We feared, as with so many good products, that it may fade from existence. Glad it didn't. You still have to blow it clear after use, but in a pinch you can just pull out the Nalgene and hydrate old school style. When it is "below zero" cold we put a neoprene sleeve from 40 Below on the bottle.

http://40below.com/products_detail.php?ProductID=28



I went to the site.

http://www.whittakermountaineering.com/shop-by-summit/rainier

"Most backpacks have a pocket on the side to hold a bottle and those pockets were designed to accommodate a Nalgene bottle because hikers have trusted Nalgene for over twenty years."

http://www.whittakermountaineering.com/shop-by-summit/denali
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby RoanMtnMan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:26 pm

Dex wrote:
I went to the site.

http://www.whittakermountaineering.com/shop-by-summit/rainier

"Most backpacks have a pocket on the side to hold a bottle and those pockets were designed to accommodate a Nalgene bottle because hikers have trusted Nalgene for over twenty years."

http://www.whittakermountaineering.com/shop-by-summit/denali


Does something need clarification with the system? Carrying your hydration bottle in your pack next to your back is what one should do in cold weather to limit freezing. Apologies, but I am confused on your point. I don't currently have any affiliation with Whittaker Mountaineering, it's just one of the few places in the states where you can get that particular setup that I know of. If they give bad info, that is their problem, but the system has worked for me in some pretty harsh environments.
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby Dex » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:34 pm

RoanMtnMan wrote:
Dex wrote:
I went to the site.

http://www.whittakermountaineering.com/shop-by-summit/rainier

"Most backpacks have a pocket on the side to hold a bottle and those pockets were designed to accommodate a Nalgene bottle because hikers have trusted Nalgene for over twenty years."

http://www.whittakermountaineering.com/shop-by-summit/denali


Does something need clarification with the system? Carrying your hydration bottle in your pack next to your back is what one should do in cold weather to limit freezing. Apologies, but I am confused on your point. I don't currently have any affiliation with Whittaker Mountaineering, it's just one of the few places in the states where you can get that particular setup that I know of. If they give bad info, that is their problem, but the system has worked for me in some pretty harsh environments.


Nope, no clarification needed. I just quoted it for those that don't want to hit the links. Thanks
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby RoanMtnMan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:40 pm

It is a funny comment coming from the Whittakers of all people. Last I checked they still own Rainier, de facto. But yes, obviously do not carry your water bottle externally in a cold environment.
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby ThuChad » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:49 pm

Has anyone constructed their own Nalgene insulator sleeve? It seems like throwing it in a sock with a hand warmer would work for most situations but surely someone has gotten a little craftier than that.
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby RoanMtnMan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:21 pm

ThuChad wrote:Has anyone constructed their own Nalgene insulator sleeve? It seems like throwing it in a sock with a hand warmer would work for most situations but surely someone has gotten a little craftier than that.


A creative solution for occasional trips. I would go with an old wool sock, tape two hard warmers around the lower part of the bottle and maybe one on the bottom. I haven't tried it but it should work. If you get out a lot, it may be more economical to find a more permanent system though.

Folks have been known to successfully turn old closed cell foam pads into water bottle insulators. If you have one laying around, the cost comes down to duct tape.
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby Dex » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:52 pm

ThuChad wrote:Has anyone constructed their own Nalgene insulator sleeve? It seems like throwing it in a sock with a hand warmer would work for most situations but surely someone has gotten a little craftier than that.



A lot of light weight backpackers use this a lot.
http://www.amazon.com/Reflectix-BP24010-Insulation/dp/B000BPF22U

They make cozies for their bowls and such.
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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby ak47 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:42 am

I always carry a thermos of hot water or tea, it will never freeze.

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Re: Winter Hiking Needs

Postby Scott P » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:50 am

Has anyone constructed their own Nalgene insulator sleeve? It seems like throwing it in a sock with a hand warmer would work for most situations but surely someone has gotten a little craftier than that.


It may work on some days, but I'd guess it wouldn't work at all on a cold day (and some days are in the -30's in the mountains). I've had Nalgenes freeze while wrapped in a seperate down coat while also tucked inside the down coat I was wearing. An insulated thermos is the way to go on those cold days.

Here is a little experiement at around 0F.

http://www.summitpost.org/cold-weather-test-for-water-bottles/346816
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