Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
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Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
Both of these appear to have some light scrambling. Is either of them not doable by a dog (vertical slab, knife edge, something physically impossible for a dog to walk on)? Assuming they're both doable, which one does everyone like better? Pacific looks a little bit more difficult and might be more fun - hard to really tell from the sparse pictures on the peak pages though.
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
As always - it depends on the dog. Personally, I wouldn't take mine on either of those (both definitely have some steep and very exposed sections) - but I generally don't take her on anything 3rd class or harder.AyeYo wrote:Both of these appear to have some light scrambling. Is either of them not doable by a dog (vertical slab, knife edge, something physically impossible for a dog to walk on)? Assuming they're both doable, which one does everyone like better? Pacific looks a little bit more difficult and might be more fun - hard to really tell from the sparse pictures on the peak pages though.
As for which one is better: I think both are great. You are correct that Pacific is a bit harder - mostly just by virtue of being longer and more sustained. The descent is also a little more involved (some route-finding required and a bit of loose rock to content with); basically if you're looking for a longer and "fuller" day, that's the one to go; if you want short and sweet with easy access and retreat, Father Dyer fits the bill.
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
Is one or the other easier for route finding? I'm figuring if I can at least get him up Pacific, I can head over to Atlantic, then down through the basin. Only issue is I'll be solo, so can't pass him off to anyone if there's anything too steep to get him up... unless someone else is free this weekend and feels like teaming up.
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
You want a nice hike for the dog and you, Peak 10 to Crystal to Fr. Dyer is a good one. None of the terrain is very difficult and there are numerous lines you could take to connect the dots.
How big a day depends on how far up you start.
If you want a really big day, tack on Mt. Helen, but be ready for some scrambling on the ridge from Dyer to Helen.
How big a day depends on how far up you start.
If you want a really big day, tack on Mt. Helen, but be ready for some scrambling on the ridge from Dyer to Helen.
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
Do you loop it or out and back? Is there any good camping in that Crystal Creek basin area? That's actually what I'm most interested in is camping this weekend. I was going to stay at Hoosier and drive in, but if I can stay right near the trail head, that'd be even better. What's that Francie's Cabin thing on the map?
That does sound like a nice way to knock out a few 13ers. If it's a loop... any reason to not do it in reverse so I'm going up the Dyer scramble rather than down?
That does sound like a nice way to knock out a few 13ers. If it's a loop... any reason to not do it in reverse so I'm going up the Dyer scramble rather than down?
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
You can make it a loop if you want. It will make it harder and longer because the leg from Helen to Dyer is more real work.AyeYo wrote: If it's a loop... any reason to not do it in reverse so I'm going up the Dyer scramble rather than down?
We climbed it by driving up to all the great camping at or near Crystal Lake. There are tons of nice places to do that, without many people around. One spot is right near the cabin on nice soft grass. Our route went straight up the valley to the Dyer Crystal ridge, over to Dyer, back to Crystal and on to Peak 10. There are plenty of bailout options if the weather turns. My attempt to do Helen to Dyer was weathered out but it looked as if you could drop back into the basin from some points on that ridge as well.
The big loop would start lower so that you could ascend Helen first.
Remember that these are just infrequently climbed 13ers and the trail is not always obvious. Doesn't matter though; most ways will work.
Have fun, it's a nice place.
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
Also, Francie's cabin is linked to a photo in Google earth. Click and look.
The cabin I mentioned is an old miner's cabin. The basin up there has at least two and maybe three. There are lots of old mining trails up there as well.
To your other point, if you drive up above Hoosier Pass, there is great camping very high up there, with access to Northstar and the ridge beyond which is also a nice hike similar to what you're looking for.
The cabin I mentioned is an old miner's cabin. The basin up there has at least two and maybe three. There are lots of old mining trails up there as well.
To your other point, if you drive up above Hoosier Pass, there is great camping very high up there, with access to Northstar and the ridge beyond which is also a nice hike similar to what you're looking for.
Call on God, but row away from the rocks.
Hunter S Thompson
Walk away from the droning and leave the hive behind.
Dick Derkase
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Walk away from the droning and leave the hive behind.
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
AyeYo,
highpilgrim mentions the ridge from Helen to Father Dyer; this is a really fun ridge, but I don't think it is the place for a dog. There is one step-over with exposure on both sides (photo #15 in the route description):
Route:
http://14ers.com/route.php?route=hele9&type=13ers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Step over:
http://14ers.com/usercontent/13ers/rout ... le9_15.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't remember any viable bailout options to the north from this ridge.
You mention Pacific and Atlantic - an option here, which would likely accommodate your dog, would be to climb Pacific via the north ridge route (Roach 4.11 p. 62), traverse to Atlantic, and descend via the west ridge. I do not climb with a dog but this route is a nice loop that does not exceed class 2.
Have a great hike in whatever you choose; this is certainly a beautiful area so close to the front range.
highpilgrim mentions the ridge from Helen to Father Dyer; this is a really fun ridge, but I don't think it is the place for a dog. There is one step-over with exposure on both sides (photo #15 in the route description):
Route:
http://14ers.com/route.php?route=hele9&type=13ers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Step over:
http://14ers.com/usercontent/13ers/rout ... le9_15.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't remember any viable bailout options to the north from this ridge.
You mention Pacific and Atlantic - an option here, which would likely accommodate your dog, would be to climb Pacific via the north ridge route (Roach 4.11 p. 62), traverse to Atlantic, and descend via the west ridge. I do not climb with a dog but this route is a nice loop that does not exceed class 2.
Have a great hike in whatever you choose; this is certainly a beautiful area so close to the front range.
Phil
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
Sweet baby jesus. That seems to be the holy grail of camping around here. I'm getting tired of camping in ash pits.highpilgrim wrote:One spot is right near the cabin on nice soft grass.
Thanks for the suggestions. That one sounds like a winner. How long of a pack in am I looking at or will a Prius and some driving skills make it to the lake?
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
I agree.pak wrote:highpilgrim mentions the ridge from Helen to Father Dyer; this is a really fun ridge, but I don't think it is the place for a dog.
It's worth knowing that there is a steep funky little notch right below the summit that will come as a surprise you may not like.pak wrote:You mention Pacific and Atlantic - an option here, which would likely accommodate your dog, would be to climb Pacific via the north ridge route
Also, I've climbed both from McCullough Gulch and and the same thing applies here. Although bring an axe because the snowfield below the ridge lingers. There is a steep loose gulley you can use to avoid it, but take it from me, it was not fun.
The rest is a breeze.
Call on God, but row away from the rocks.
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Walk away from the droning and leave the hive behind.
Dick Derkase
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Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
That looks like an awesome ridge route, but definitely not with the dog if I'm solo.pak wrote:AyeYo,
highpilgrim mentions the ridge from Helen to Father Dyer; this is a really fun ridge, but I don't think it is the place for a dog. There is one step-over with exposure on both sides (photo #15 in the route description):
Route:
http://14ers.com/route.php?route=hele9&type=13ers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Step over:
http://14ers.com/usercontent/13ers/rout ... le9_15.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't remember any viable bailout options to the north from this ridge.
I've done Atlantic west before and the camping in and around Mayflower is kind of sparse and exposed, so I'd prefer to say on the east side.
Re: Father Dyer vs. Pacific East ridge with a dog
@highpilgrim,
Good reminder - I think this is the notch you mention...
http://14ers.com/php14ers/uphoto.php?pi ... muser=6225" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, it may come as a surprise.
Good reminder - I think this is the notch you mention...
http://14ers.com/php14ers/uphoto.php?pi ... muser=6225" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, it may come as a surprise.
Phil