Bigfoot!

[vip-valet1 Profile 14er Peak List Not Entered]

So the lack of evidence they exist is actually evidence that they exist?

Not at all. But the lack of evidence is also NOT proof that they do NOT exist either as has been inferred.

Few people understand the need for evidence or arguments in convincing another person of something. The thrill of becoming one of the few who "know" about something may not be enough. Some people want actual logical arguments. It is naive to assume that you're going to convince people "bigfoot exists" without evidence, even if you call them naive for being unconvinced.

However, evidence has been put forth. The issue isn't lack of evidence. There may not be enough evidence to claim a new discovery yet, but there is PLENTY of evidence to warrant honest, scientific exploration into the subject. Unfortunately some people, even when presented with proof dismiss it outright or don't even look into weather there is evidence, but instead automatically assume there must not be any evidence. There is ALOT of evidence, weather someone chooses to acknowledge it or not is there issue. Close mindedness is one of the great hindrances to progress and learning. You can only present them with the facts, but you can not make someone open their mind.

Fact: Fossil record of actual large primate fits description of Sasquatch. Basically, "Bigfoot" DID exist in the past. Was a REAL ANIMAL. So not dealing with a fictional make believe animal like unicorn or meremaids

Fact: Have discovered on several occasions hair or fur of a Unknown Primate in North America.

Fact: HUNDREDS of foot prints that have been analysised by FBI fingerprint specialist that stated they were NOT fakes. Could even see the dermal ridges of the skin including scars.

Fact: Footprint size variances when graph are in line for a real population of animals and not random sizes as if hoaxed.ed

Fact: THOUSANDS of eyewitness sightings of a Sasquatch in the wild, many by reputable witnesses such as Wild life agents, law enforcement, experienced hunters who are not prone to misidentification.

Fact: When the sightings are plotted in conjunction with precipitation trends, they are directly proportional which indicates these are real sightings of real populations of actual animals.

There is much much more evidence but is beyond the scope of this thread.

[BillMiddlebrook]

Fact: When the sightings are plotted in conjunction with precipitation trends, they are directly proportional which indicates these are real sightings of real populations of actual animals.

Ok, I laughed when I read that one.

[14erFred Profile 14er Peak List (50)]

I agree with Bill -- how does the correlation between precipitation trends and Bigfoot sightings demonstrate that "these are real sightings of real populations of actual animals"?

[El GUapo Profile 14er Peak List Not Entered]

Fossil record of actual large primate fits description of Sasquatch. Basically, "Bigfoot" DID exist in the past. Was a REAL ANIMAL. So not dealing with a fictional make believe animal like unicorn or meremaids.

Why do you hate the Indian Rhinocerous(Rhinoceros unicornis)?

Give the Bible guys some credit. Was Bigfoot mentioned in the Scriptures like the Unicorn?

[jdorje Profile 14er Peak List (5) 13er Peak List (7)Trip Reports]

I agree with Bill -- how does the correlation between precipitation trends and Bigfoot sightings demonstrate that "these are real sightings of real populations of actual animals"?

Seems obvious to me. It's a lot easier to misidentify a bear when it's raining.

[audiotom Profile 14er Peak List (7) Trip Reports]

Here is a report from two experienced hikers on scofield pss doing the aspen loop.

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=470

A hiker descending at 11,500 from summiting Mt Massive


http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_report.asp?id=6785


Climber. Mount massive

http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_report.asp?id=24194

Note - the Finding Bigfoot show is a real chuckle, but their database of sightings going way back contains thousands of accounts from credible witnesses and raises doubters eyebrows

Read through the colorado sightings
http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_report.asp?id=6785


For good insight the documentary
Legend Meets Science is well done.

[leadvilleclimber Profile 14er Peak List (18) 14ers Skied (4)13er Peak List (8)Trip Reports]

It is unfortunate Marco Polo didn't report seeing a Bigfoot or Abominable Snowman in the captivity of the Chinese royal family rather than a dragon. We would have our incontrovertible proof then!

[winmag4582001 Profile YIM 14er Peak List (14) 14ers in Winter (2)13er Peak List (28)Trip Reports]

I'm calling bulls@%t on the video. If I was with a group of guys and we saw what we thought was bigfoot, I'd stick around for better look. There's safety in numbers.

Dude, sticking around for a better look is a recipe for getting your world absolutely f---ing rocked. I don't mess around when it comes to bigfoot, wildlife such as bears and crocs, or even big chicks with gin on their breath. I clear out ASAP. But that is just my opinion...

I grew up in Ohio. We don't shy away from wolverines, nittany lions, badgers, gophers, hawkeyes, wildcats or bigfoots for that matter.

I grew up in Iowa and we don't ever back away from a buckeye or big woman!

[dubsho3000 Profile 14er Peak List (58) 14ers Skied (3)13er Peak List (36)Trip Reports]

"Man hits 7 foot tall, reddish-brown creature with his car, then is pursued by the creature"
"Car pulling camper hits something on US 129 South of Live Oak"
"Woman drives car over subject lying on road near Everson"
"Tow truck driver watches a creature drag an elk away from accident site south of Malta on Hwy. 191"
"Creature seen crossing in front of witnesses car"

Spoiler alert: It's a bear.

Second spoiler alert - people use drugs

[dubsho3000 Profile 14er Peak List (58) 14ers Skied (3)13er Peak List (36)Trip Reports]

So the lack of evidence they exist is actually evidence that they exist?

Not at all. But the lack of evidence is also NOT proof that they do NOT exist either as has been inferred.

Few people understand the need for evidence or arguments in convincing another person of something. The thrill of becoming one of the few who "know" about something may not be enough. Some people want actual logical arguments. It is naive to assume that you're going to convince people "bigfoot exists" without evidence, even if you call them naive for being unconvinced.

However, evidence has been put forth. The issue isn't lack of evidence. There may not be enough evidence to claim a new discovery yet, but there is PLENTY of evidence to warrant honest, scientific exploration into the subject. Unfortunately some people, even when presented with proof dismiss it outright or don't even look into weather there is evidence, but instead automatically assume there must not be any evidence. There is ALOT of evidence, weather someone chooses to acknowledge it or not is there issue. Close mindedness is one of the great hindrances to progress and learning. You can only present them with the facts, but you can not make someone open their mind.

Fact: Fossil record of actual large primate fits description of Sasquatch. Basically, "Bigfoot" DID exist in the past. Was a REAL ANIMAL. So not dealing with a fictional make believe animal like unicorn or meremaids

Fact: Have discovered on several occasions hair or fur of a Unknown Primate in North America.

Fact: HUNDREDS of foot prints that have been analysised by FBI fingerprint specialist that stated they were NOT fakes. Could even see the dermal ridges of the skin including scars.

Fact: Footprint size variances when graph are in line for a real population of animals and not random sizes as if hoaxed.ed

Fact: THOUSANDS of eyewitness sightings of a Sasquatch in the wild, many by reputable witnesses such as Wild life agents, law enforcement, experienced hunters who are not prone to misidentification.

Fact: When the sightings are plotted in conjunction with precipitation trends, they are directly proportional which indicates these are real sightings of real populations of actual animals.

There is much much more evidence but is beyond the scope of this thread.

Whether or not you misspell whether a lot, I can't let this go.

[gearhunter Profile 14er Peak List Not Entered]

The link between precipitation and Sasquatch habitat as well as sightings was first written about in Ivan Sanderson's ABSM book in 1961 where he mentions the link between Sasquatch sightings and areas of montane forest habitat. in 1981 John Green in his book Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us further discussed the link between precipitation levels and sightings.

And yes you can plot a direct link to sighting locations to montane forest areas with higher levels of preciptiation.

You can read about how that model of precipitation applies to a place like Texas here:

http://www.texasbigfoot.com/index.php/about-bigfoot/articles/67-ecological-patterns

People are also generally unaware that Bigfoot is not soley an American phenomina. It is reported in a very consistant but geographically disperse area of the world. North America, Canada, China, Vietnam, Indonesia, Austrialia, and Russia. The phenomina is almost never reported in Europe or Africa.

[Maximillion Profile 14er Peak List Not Entered]

Do Bigfoots migrate south for the winter, or do they hibernate?