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Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby SurfNTurf » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:47 pm

First off, I hope the owner is OK. Near a cairn around 13,500' on Bierstadt's standard route today (April 20), we discovered:

-A snowboard
-SkullCandy earbuds
-A handheld pole for a GoPro (sans GoPro)
-Cordelette tied with a fisherman's. Locking carabiner attached.
-Antique C.A.M.P crampons
-One glove
-A few other very random items

The cache has obviously been there a few days. There were only two other parties on the mountain: one walked right by it heading down, and the other said it wasn't theirs.

PM me a description of the snowboard and I'll gladly return the items. Considering I strapped the board onto my already stupid-heavy training pack and carried it down to the winter closure in poor conditions, I wouldn't turn down some beer as a thank you.
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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby Coxie2210 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:51 am

Light Beer since your in training right?
:-D

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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby Monte Meals » Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:08 pm

While I have no idea regarding the cache of stuff that you found -

Many thanks for the quasi trench across the willows. I skied across today (4/21)
with nary a hickup (though I did not continue on to the summit.)

I've heard from some of my Chablis and Cheese friends that Amstel Lite is *really*
the way to go if you must drink beer while training. I'll buy you a demi-split in appreciation.

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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby SurfNTurf » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:58 am

Not a skier or snowboarder, does anyone have suggestions for other sites/forums I can post this? BenfromtheEast is eager for me to get "that clownboard" out of our apartment.
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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby Steve Climber » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:37 am

SurfNTurf wrote:Not a skier or snowboarder, does anyone have suggestions for other sites/forums I can post this? BenfromtheEast is eager for me to get "that clownboard" out of our apartment.


Have you tried TGR yet? maybe a posting on the trusty old list of that guy Craig? Not too familiar with any other forums to try. Good luck with it. Hope the owner is safe and sound.
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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby Magnum420 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:16 pm

I'd put a note near the trailhead/winter parking for Bierstadt. Also, Maybe call the Sheriff's dept to see if anyone is missing or if anyone has reported their gear taken/stolen. I'm not a fan of people picking up caches like this not knowing what the circumstances were behind why it was left there, but thats just me.
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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby SnowAlien » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:53 pm

At least when he carried the dog off Grays, Surf was able to locate the owners. What is he going to do with a snowboard? 8) hmm I see some potential here...

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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby bergsteigen » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:56 pm

Magnum420 wrote:Also, Maybe call the Sheriff's dept to see if anyone is missing or if anyone has reported their gear taken/stolen.


I would try this. Some of my BC ski friends had to leave their skis/gear during a major storm, and they contacted the Sheriff's office to make sure no one started looking for them, if others found the stash and reported it.
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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby kansas » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:15 pm

SurfNTurf wrote: I wouldn't turn down some beer as a thank you.


Can I get at least one of those beers? It might ease the suffering inflicted on the back of my head by "that clownboard"
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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby SurfNTurf » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:04 pm

It depends on the circumstances. If something appeared to be stashed recently and still have a purpose, I'd leave it alone. This particular cache had obviously been up there for several days. At some point, there's no longer a valid reason for something to be on the mountain. Give me one realistic scenario in which someone would leave a snowboard, earbuds, one glove and a GoPro pole at 13,500' on Bierstadt overnight, let alone for two or three days?

To me and the rest of my party, it looked like someone had left the items because they had to get down in a hurry. It turns out we were on the right track. Without going into details, I've been put in contact with the owner, who left his belongings behind on 4/13 (a week before we removed them) in an emergency situation. I haven't reached him directly yet, but I'm willing to bet he'll be OK with me returning his gear without him having to a) cut his losses or b) drive across the state and hike to 13,500' on Bierstadt again to retrieve it himself.

Thanks for speculating without knowing any of the details, though. I even considered taking a photo of the half-buried cache before we disturbed it to ward off the Internet vigilantes. Ah well. Be careful climbing down off your high horses, fellas.
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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby SurfNTurf » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:19 pm

Said debate has come up several times over the years on this forum, and it almost always ends up in the toilet. Sorry for being preemptively defensive.
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Re: Found: Odd Cache on Bierstadt

Postby wildlobo71 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:19 pm

awilbur77 wrote:
SurfNTurf wrote:It depends on the circumstances. If something appeared to be stashed recently and still have a purpose, I'd leave it alone. This particular cache had obviously been up there for several days. At some point, there's no longer a valid reason for something to be on the mountain. Give me one realistic scenario in which someone would leave a snowboard, earbuds, one glove and a GoPro pole at 13,500' on Bierstadt overnight, let alone for two or three days?

To me and the rest of my party, it looked like someone had left the items because they had to get down in a hurry. It turns out we were on the right track. Without going into details, I've been put in contact with the owner, who left his belongings behind on 4/13 (a week before we removed them) in an emergency situation. I haven't reached him directly yet, but I'm willing to bet he'll be OK with me returning his gear without him having to a) cut his losses or b) drive across the state and hike to 13,500' on Bierstadt again to retrieve it himself.

Thanks for speculating without knowing any of the details, though. I even considered taking a photo of the half-buried cache before we disturbed it to ward off the Internet vigilantes. Ah well. Be careful climbing down off your high horses, fellas.


Damn, get defensive much? I was merely pointing out an alternate way of thinking about it. Sort to rub "the Jeff" ego the wrong way, but it's no reason to resort to calling people you don't even know names (internet vigilante) and assuming ill intent. I was merely trying to identify a means of determining the gray area of leaving the cache, vs. carrying it down.


I think most people here have an understanding of the scenarios when things seem out of place, like Jeff and Darrin's findings, and when things are still within a believable time frame for recovery - the sticks and hat on the saddle below La Plata, for example. Unless they have been demolished by marmots (which as we've seen first hand, can be within 20 minutes, little opportunistic bastards,) and there are still people around - then prudence calls for leaving them in place.

The lecture-sounding responses are not necessary. I would not want to carry down an entire snowboard on a whim, I think Jeff and those guys up there that day did the correct thing.
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