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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by timisimaginary » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:58 pm

people seem to have a confused understanding about the concept of "public ownership" in this country. it doesn't mean anybody can go anywhere they want or do anything they want as long as the land is publicly owned. roads are publicly owned, that doesn't mean you can drive as fast as you want on them, or use them as the location of your next barbecue. police cars are publicly owned, but i would strongly advise against just anyone getting into one and driving away.

"public" ownership actually means "government" ownership, and that gov't, whether it's local, state or federal, can make rules and regulations on how that property or land is used. ideally, the actual "public" should be involved in decisions on those rules and regulations, at least the major ones (we are involved to the extent that we vote for or against the people who end up actually making those rules and regulations). but regardless, we are obligated to abide by the decisions made by the owner, whether that owner is private (business/individual) or public (gov't).

so just because the land is "public" you're still not allowed to go in unauthorized and leave your s**t all over the place. that's true whether that public land is a national park or the Capitol building.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by Jorts » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:18 pm

Will this impact accessing Longs TH?
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by jakethesnake_630 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:55 pm

Jorts wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:18 pm
Will this impact accessing Longs TH?
Yes, unfortunately. Although last summer no one ever asked to see mine while there multiple times & I don't think I always placed it on my windshield.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by ccerling » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:21 am

jakethesnake_630 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:55 pm
Jorts wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:18 pm
Will this impact accessing Longs TH?
Yes, unfortunately. Although last summer no one ever asked to see mine while there multiple times & I don't think I always placed it on my windshield.

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Not sure how strict they'll be about it but if you park along the road just outside of the park and walk in instead of using the parking lot you shouldn't need an entrance pass. According to recreation.gov you only need an entrance pass if you're driving into the park.
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Plus if you show up past 2:30am or so on a weekend you probably won't get a spot in the lot anyways.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by justiner » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:12 am

Not as much on street parking as in year’s past. I wouldn’t expect to drive up and always find a spot.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by Matt Lemke » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:19 pm

XterraRob wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:07 pm
Everything should require a permit, bottleneck access and force people to move to Idaho with FireOnTheMountain.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by pw » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:00 pm

Much as I don't like to see this, it does seem preferable to just letting so many people into the park that it becomes an unpleasant experience. Seems to be a trend doesn't it - Ice Lake Basin possibly this summer too. I think Arches NP has been closing the park at a certain cutoff point on the busiest days for a couple of years.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by Dave B » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:03 pm

Matt Lemke wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:19 pm
XterraRob wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:07 pm
Everything should require a permit, bottleneck access and force people to move to Idaho with FireOnTheMountain.
Boise is becoming a major city faster than anyone has imagined.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by peter303 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:37 pm

I wish they would split the reservations 50-50 long term / short term.
Tourists buying plane trips and hotels could vie for the long term in March.
Short term could be apportioned from 7 days ahead to same day.
This is not too complicated for modern computer apps.

Furthermore I would reserve 50% of each type of each reservation for Colorado residents.
(Colorado has recently created an online state id to manage its horrible unemployment fraud mess. This could be used for all state permits like hunting, hiking etc.)
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by prairiechicken » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:07 am

peter303 wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:37 pm
I wish they would split the reservations 50-50 long term / short term.
Tourists buying plane trips and hotels could vie for the long term in March.
Short term could be apportioned from 7 days ahead to same day.
This is not too complicated for modern computer apps.

Furthermore I would reserve 50% of each type of each reservation for Colorado residents.
(Colorado has recently created an online state id to manage its horrible unemployment fraud mess. This could be used for all state permits like hunting, hiking etc.)
25% of the permits will become available at 5 pm the night before, but they go quick.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by martinleroux » Mon May 03, 2021 3:46 pm

ccerling wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:21 am
jakethesnake_630 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:55 pm
Jorts wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:18 pm
Will this impact accessing Longs TH?
Yes, unfortunately. Although last summer no one ever asked to see mine while there multiple times & I don't think I always placed it on my windshield.
Not sure how strict they'll be about it but if you park along the road just outside of the park and walk in instead of using the parking lot you shouldn't need an entrance pass. According to recreation.gov you only need an entrance pass if you're driving into the park.

Plus if you show up past 2:30am or so on a weekend you probably won't get a spot in the lot anyways.
Seems like RMNP is still trying to figure out the details. From https://www.nps.gov/romo/planyourvisit/ ... system.htm:

Q. Do I have to get a permit if I'm walking or hiking into the park?
A. A timed entry permit is required to enter ALL areas of Rocky Mountain National Park, during the times listed above, when arriving by vehicle whether a visitor parks within the park or outside the park boundary.


But there's a loophole:

Q. Do bicycles have to get permits?
A. At this time, if you are entering the park via bicycle you will not need a timed entry reservation.


So if for some reason you want to start up Long's Peak after 9 am but you don't have a permit, just load a bicycle onto your vehicle, park outside the park boundary below the last hairpin bend, and ride your bicycle the last couple hundred yards to the trailhead.
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Re: RMNP 2021 Reservation System

Post by justiner » Mon May 03, 2021 3:56 pm

This shall be known as the Long Ranger Loophole. Bike lockup is by the pit toilets! :lol:
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