possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
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possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
For guys allegedly trigger an avalanche near the Eisenhower Tunnel on March 25 2020. That destroyed the fine amount of avalanche equipment.
https://coloradosun.com/2021/02/19/snow ... it-county/
There is a sideshow as to the admissibility of CAIC reports as evidence, including a GoPro video.
https://coloradosun.com/2021/02/19/snow ... it-county/
There is a sideshow as to the admissibility of CAIC reports as evidence, including a GoPro video.
Re: possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
No, this is new news about the judge allowing their video of the avi as evidence, since they volunteered it to the CAIC. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
Regardless of whether these guys deserve prosecution or not, this seems unfortunate. If they knew they were going to be prosecuted they likely would not have given the video (I am under the assumption they gave the video before charges were pressed?). If I were in the same situation I would have disclosed it thinking I would be helping too. For those that BC ski, I'm interested in your perspectives.
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Re: possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
I see nothing before 2/18 saying the judge officially dismissed the motion. In December the story was that they were filing the motion. Did the judge dismiss the motion a month ago?
Your post regarding it being old news can come off as crass and patronizing, which is why lodgling responded in turn.
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"Summit County Court Judge Ed Casias found there was no violation of the men’s constitutional protections from unlawful search and seizure because there was no search and nothing was seized."
Shitty situation for the BC skiers, I guess if there's a lesson to be learned here aside from don't cause avalanches, is recording it + giving away the footage is a bad idea
Shitty situation for the BC skiers, I guess if there's a lesson to be learned here aside from don't cause avalanches, is recording it + giving away the footage is a bad idea
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Re: possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
Definitely a shame that they tried to do the right thing after the fact and will probably suffer for it.cottonmountaineering wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:35 pm "Summit County Court Judge Ed Casias found there was no violation of the men’s constitutional protections from unlawful search and seizure because there was no search and nothing was seized."
Shitty situation for the BC skiers, I guess if there's a lesson to be learned here aside from don't cause avalanches, is recording it + giving away the footage is a bad idea
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Re: possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
As BC skier with ~400 days out:
1. Skiing directly above the tunnel where they did is... odd. Why? There’s better terrain to ride. I count it as resort riders laziness.
2. CDOT has learned a lesson that maybe there should be signs prohibiting/warning against skiing above sensitive and critical areas of the tunnel. Maybe this is a new zone they didn’t know about yet. It’s west facing, and usually wind scoured.
3. WY Teton pass has very strict rules about triggering an avalanche onto the highway. Same with the 7 sisters above Loveland Pass. There are certain known spots that should not be skied during avy season because of highway use. Period.
4. Submitting video/photo evidence is at your own risk. Helped CAIC and future prevention. But screws the boarders. I wouldn’t have supplied any documentation (within the statute of limitations time period).
5. BC skiers have to take into account consequences, not only for their own life, but those of others. Accidents do happen, and hopefully the judge/jury will take this into account.
6. In general it’s my main goal to never be in an avalanche, and choose my terrain and conditions appropriately. But again, accidents happen.
1. Skiing directly above the tunnel where they did is... odd. Why? There’s better terrain to ride. I count it as resort riders laziness.
2. CDOT has learned a lesson that maybe there should be signs prohibiting/warning against skiing above sensitive and critical areas of the tunnel. Maybe this is a new zone they didn’t know about yet. It’s west facing, and usually wind scoured.
3. WY Teton pass has very strict rules about triggering an avalanche onto the highway. Same with the 7 sisters above Loveland Pass. There are certain known spots that should not be skied during avy season because of highway use. Period.
4. Submitting video/photo evidence is at your own risk. Helped CAIC and future prevention. But screws the boarders. I wouldn’t have supplied any documentation (within the statute of limitations time period).
5. BC skiers have to take into account consequences, not only for their own life, but those of others. Accidents do happen, and hopefully the judge/jury will take this into account.
6. In general it’s my main goal to never be in an avalanche, and choose my terrain and conditions appropriately. But again, accidents happen.
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Re: possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
This will certainly hinder caic efforts to collect first hand reports of avalanches in the future.
The parallel is like when illegal immigrants (undocumented migrants?) are afraid to report crimes for fear of being deported.
I can see people not wanting to tell their story, admit being present, or provide evidence if they're afraid it'll be used against them.
The parallel is like when illegal immigrants (undocumented migrants?) are afraid to report crimes for fear of being deported.
I can see people not wanting to tell their story, admit being present, or provide evidence if they're afraid it'll be used against them.
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They deserve Whistle-blower Protection.
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Re: possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
I remember when this happened... the guys definitely made a pretty poor choice of aspect, choice of line and day to ski. I can see why CDOT would want their equipment repaired. Also, as I recall we all got banned from skiing Coon Hill area after that, which pissed me off.
In other thoughts, attacking Lodgling is poor form. He’s pretty reasonable on here.
In other thoughts, attacking Lodgling is poor form. He’s pretty reasonable on here.
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Re: possible $168,000 avalanche fine?
It was new to me.
And yes, its a shame them trying to help CAIC got them in trouble. But regardless, they caused a lot of damage by their voluntary choice to ski that area. So they should pay for damages they caused.
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