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Climate change:

is happening and is a direct consequence of industrialism and overpopulation over the last 200yrs and if we do nothing, humans are going to live in dramatically different, inhospitable conditions over the next 200yrs, think Mad Max
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is happening and is just a natural cycle of the earth and environment, will happen again once we are long gone, and possibly not much we can do about it except maybe at the margin
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is likely happening and we just currently lack sufficient information over a long enough period to draw an accurate conclusion of the extent that humans have possibly impacted its potential acceleration
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is Hogwash, what climate change? It's the media and politicians trying to scare us or sway votes and public opinion. EVs? I don't even like charging my phone.
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supranihilest wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:59 am Imagine getting this perturbed over an anecdote of a person doing something that has no effect on you whatsoever.
You can't expect much from our resident RIGHT-thinking dontist. He's too busy whining about how unfair we are in criticizing insurrectionists and their orange hEro.
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highpilgrim wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:13 pm
supranihilest wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:59 am Imagine getting this perturbed over an anecdote of a person doing something that has no effect on you whatsoever.
You can't expect much from our resident RIGHT-thinking dontist. He's too busy whining about how unfair we are in criticizing insurrectionists and their orange hEro.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c

George Carlin is one of the few who had this right. The planet is just fine, it's the people who are f'ed.

What don't people get about a giant block of ice sitting out in the sun melting? On course climate changes. It happens regardless of the species on the planet.

Wonder how all those 14ers came into being. Wasn't that from climate change?
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Bill G wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:30 pm Wonder how all those 14ers came into being. Wasn't that from climate change?
Is this a real question? :? The 14ers weren't formed by climate change. They were worn down by glaciers if that's what you mean.
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If CrossFit makes you strong, why does crossfitter get owned so hard on every thread? Prolly just a cult.
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Doing14ers wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:43 am Bill Gates says we need nuclear in his recent book.

I thought is was a good book and a quick read. Addresses many of these topics. He makes the case that we definitely need to be assessing the issue.
Interesting. Most people probably agree that in an ideal world burning billions of tons of fossil fuels every year is not ideal. But surely we also all agree that solar, wind, geothermal, etc., cannot provide the energy we need right now unless we go back to living in caves. Maybe they will someday, but maybe not. So maybe nuclear is the intermediate. The problem is that many of the same people I know who march around the flagpole about global warming also don't want nuclear power. There are of course legitimate concerns about safety with regards to nuclear power, but no energy source is perfect (except maybe fusion, and that ain't happening any time in the foreseeable future).

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Yeah, I guess fission is a transition. Maybe fusion in our lifetimes…that would be so great. I’m not an expert but I have read that the new nuclear plants are much safer. And just my opinion, but I would think the waste disposal could be handled. Seems like deep burial would be ok. It sounds bad now that I am typing it out, but the risk tradeoff versus continued greenhouse gasses seems worth it.
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nunns wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:54 pm The problem is that many of the same people I know who march around the flagpole about global warming also don't want nuclear power.

Electricity generation accounts for only 25% of total carbon emissions. I support nuclear power, but it's not an end-all-be-all solution to the problem.

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Yeah, this is all in Gates’ book. He goes through each major contributing sector and proposes a solution, or at least a proposes stuff we should think about as solutions. Some are easy, some will be hard. Concrete,for example: tough problem.
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Dave B wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:12 pm
nunns wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:54 pm The problem is that many of the same people I know who march around the flagpole about global warming also don't want nuclear power.

Electricity generation accounts for only 25% of total carbon emissions. I support nuclear power, but it's not an end-all-be-all solution to the problem.


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I understand that, but consider also that we are in the midst of moving from internal combustion engine vehicles to electric vehicles. I would be curious to know how much CO2 production would be curtailed if all the vehicles on earth were electric and the power for production of that electricity came from non-fossil fuel sources.

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I think it’s as simple as saving 29% of 6,558 M metric tons. Assuming 100% switch over.
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Per the CDC, you don't need to wear masks outside, but I am not gonna engage in this discussion. If you don't trust the CDC, then I'll just label you a Science-denier.

"The CDC says that whether they are fully vaccinated or not, people do not have to wear masks outdoors when they walk, bike or run alone or with members of their household. They can also go maskless in small outdoor gatherings with fully vaccinated people."
https://apnews.com/article/cdc-mask-wea ... 9428b59634

Interesting that when I mentioned the guy who I saw walking OUTSIDE AND ALONE for about 5 minutes while wearing mask, most people jumped in to defend him. Those people brought up extenuating circumstances to void my argument that he wasn't following Science: "oh maybe he's immuno-compromised", "oh maybe he was just visiting someone who is immuno-compromised", "oh maybe he forgot it after leaving a store", blah blah. Lots of understanding and tolerance towards that guy. Yet, when someone doesn't agree 100% with the climate change crowd, that same crowd immediately piles on to insult and humiliate him. Seems like a double standard. Is it possible that maybe that person doesn't trust liberal media or Democrats when they talk about climate change? White blue-collar conservatives are being left behind by an economy that no longer provides the jobs that once catered to them. They grew up in small towns and never left for the cities, they didn't go to college and didn't really need to as there were plenty of jobs that paid enough to afford their lifestyle. Now, progress is being pushed down their throat by intellectuals who are the very same ones profiting from such progress. The green energy revolution doesn't need blue collar workers. Manufacturing needed for green energy is sent to Asia. Production isn't labor intensive. Green energy requires highly qualified workers, far from the type who grew up working in coal mines and oil fields. But decades ago when green energy was just an idea, those blue collars were the ones powering your houses and enabling your consumerism. They were well respected and even Hollywood would portray them in movies and shows with a positive tone. Shows like Honeymooners and Roseanne don't exist anymore. Blue collar workers nowadays are barely portrayed in movies and shows, and when they are, it is usually as backward and dumb. Now you don't need blue collar workers anymore coz you got your Teslas, your wind and solar power, and you got your slave labor in Asia to enable your even greater consumerism, so f**k them right? f**k those dumbtards who can't understand Science because we rewarded them handsomely to do the blue collar jobs that we didn't want to do thus keeping them out of higher education. f**k them and make them get used to leaving their small towns to go college and take on office jobs. And those who can't adapt, well, f**k them.
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