Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

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Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by wineguy » Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:10 am

In the winter I do most of my peakbagging outside of CO, guess I don't like to freeze my a** off. Am considering logging my activity on either Peakbagger or Listsofjohn. Does anyone have any thoughts on the relative merits of these two sites?
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by supranihilest » Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:22 am

If you use the Peakbagger app you can connect it to your LoJ account. When you log a peak on the app it will also log it on LoJ. Two birds, one stone.

The additional benefit of using the PB app is downloading offline peak data, maps, and tracks. There are a number of apps that function similarly but none specifically for peakbagging, with the exception of Peakbagger, of course.

I use PB exclusively on the app, because the mapping is useful. I use LoJ far more extensively for lists, research, GPXes, trip reports, etc.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by Craig Barlow » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:35 am

LoJ doesn't have any peaks outside the U.S., so if you ever want to do any international trips, PB is better.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by Scott P » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:12 pm

LoJ is better for the United States, but Peakbagger is international.

Quality control is better on LoJ than Peakbagger. Some people have added erroneous data to Peakbagger and since anyone can add it, it takes a long time to correct.

Peak bagger also uses the dreadful "clean prominence" criteria instead of the more accurate interpolated prominence method. Because of this they had to adjust some of the peak lists. For example there are only 51 14ers on the old Peakbagger list, but they changed the criteria to a rather illogical 280 feet just for Colorado 14ers so they could match more conventional lists.

There still is a lot of good information on Peakbagger, especially for international peaks.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by Chicago Transplant » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:48 pm

I agree with Scott on the comparisons.

I will add that because the Peakbagger database is user provided, there are a ton of missing ranked peaks and all kinds of weird unranked extra ones. Some ridges it seems someone adds a peak for every closed contour or elevation point, even if they only have 20 feet of prominence, yet there are several missing 12ers and 13ers (and even more missing at lower elevations) if the peaks are less frequently climbed.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by seano » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:47 pm

Scott has it right -- LoJ is more accurate in the States, while Peakbagger has international coverage (and doesn't pester you for donations). The Peakbagger phone app can log ascents to both, and also has the best international offline topo maps I've found. I have used it for most of my peakbagging for a number of years.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by Scott P » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:59 pm

Chicago Transplant wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:48 pm
I will add that because the Peakbagger database is user provided, there are a ton of missing ranked peaks and all kinds of weird unranked extra ones.
Example of a weird unranked one:

https://www.peakbagger.com/peak.aspx?pid=-92879

Yet a lot of prominent and well known 12ers and 13ers are missing, just as you point out.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by CaptCO » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:00 pm

seano wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:47 pm
Scott has it right -- LoJ is more accurate in the States, while Peakbagger has international coverage (and doesn't pester you for donations). The Peakbagger phone app can log ascents to both, and also has the best international offline topo maps I've found. I have used it for most of my peakbagging for a number of years.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by Scott P » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:03 pm

Here's a list on Peakbagger of the "Biggest Mountains in the World" if anyone is interested.

https://www.peakbagger.com/List.aspx?li ... &cid=29775

Personally I would not consider these as the "Biggest Mountains in the World", then again I haven't seen every mountain in the world so what would I know?

Peakbagger certainly does have a lot of weird stuff on it.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by ellenmseb » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:35 am

Peakbagger all the way. Interface is way better. More useful lists. Great map view of lists. Extremely useful mobile app. Trip reports more plentiful and more useful. Can't stand listsofjohn.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by wineguy » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:52 am

Thanks for the comments, I appreciate them all.
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Re: Peakbagger vs. Listsofjohn

Post by Eli Boardman » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:40 am

LoJ for lists and obscure ranked peaks within the U.S.

Peakbagger for the amazing app (free download of tracks, topo maps, public land overlay, etc.) and international peaks.
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