What length Ice axe?

Monster5 · Post by **Monster5** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:25 pm

Yeah, honestly, there's zero difference between plunging a slightly curved shaft versus a straight shaft. That's over thinking a fairly simple procedure.

TallGrass · Post by **TallGrass** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:35 pm

d_baker wrote:how often are you climbing snow that is soft enough to plunge deep enough to get to the curved portion?

Monster5 wrote:Yeah, honestly, there's zero difference between plunging a slightly curved shaft versus a straight shaft.

Anyone who's staked a tent can say which shaft plunges better and resists rotating when a line pulls on it, straight or curved (and centered vs. offset head). Also, which stake is found more often in the store, which in the trash, and why.

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d_baker · Post by **d_baker** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:09 pm

Only one picture and no citations? Oh my, what is this site coming to?

Honestly, I didn't know tent stakes come in a curved option.

Tallgrass, your picture caption is an interesting take on what is bliss. A plunged axe that deep kind of indicates a snow quality that is likely boot top deep. A curved would sink just as well there.
Difference in preference, is all.

Edit: how is your cord attached?

Monster5 · Post by **Monster5** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:17 pm

Anyone who has actually climbed snow would know a lot of those minor considerations might make sense if you over analyze it on paper, but they are essentially meaningless in practice and in typical snow conditions.

Tall grass, you pretty much used an ice ax for the first time this year on Kit Carson and you're dropping your trousers to show off on this?

FireOnTheMountain · Post by **FireOnTheMountain** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:42 pm

Monster5 wrote:Tall grass.....you're dropping your trousers to show off on this?

TallGrass · Post by **TallGrass** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:44 pm

d_baker wrote:A plunged axe that deep kind of indicates a snow quality that is likely boot top deep. ... Edit: how is your cord attached?

Nope, and how do you think? Write up your cord analysis.

Monster5 wrote:Anyone who has actually climbed snow

And then you make up a lie trying to discredit.

To the OP: It's widely known and understood, straight shafts plunge better.

FireOnTheMountain · Post by **FireOnTheMountain** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:46 pm

TallGrass wrote:To the OP: It's widely known and understood, straight shafts plunge better.

lol are you crazy, the slight bow in a hybrid makes it negligible! Go outside and get on some snowy peaks homie before you incite the google/wikipedia gods.

d_baker · Post by **d_baker** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:54 pm

TallGrass wrote:
d_baker wrote:A plunged axe that deep kind of indicates a snow quality that is likely boot top deep. ... Edit: how is your cord attached?
Nope, and how do you think? Write up your cord analysis.
Monster5 wrote:Anyone who has actually climbed snow
And then you make up a lie trying to discredit.

To the OP: It's widely known and understood, straight shafts plunge better.

I'm not going to write a cord analysis because I'm not you.
And I was asking an honest question because I don't know what that is.

Monster and his fake news....
....TG, from your own words in your KC report, you don't have much snow experience. (hurry up and go edit that before others see it.)

Edit II: your axe is about a foot away from dirt and rock, and you claim it wasn't soft? yeah.....right! You were probably hitting dirt!

d_baker · Post by **d_baker** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:55 pm

FireOnTheMountain wrote:
TallGrass wrote:To the OP: It's widely known and understood, straight shafts plunge better.
lol are you crazy, the slight bow in a hybrid makes it negligible! Go outside and get on some snowy peaks homie before you incite the google/wikipedia gods.

He's still on Edi. 4 of FoTH...give him a break.

TallGrass · Post by **TallGrass** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:59 pm

Crazy, eh? Argue with the below...

"Straight shafts are better for plunging, self-belaying or for use in an anchor. Straight-shafted axes are best for general mountaineering.
Curved shafts resemble a small arc and are better designed for swinging into ice. Curved tools are best for technical mountaineering and ice climbing."
https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/ice-axe.html

"Straight shafts are for mountaineering, where you’ll want an axe that can plunge vertically into snow, be used for self belay or to construct a snow anchor."
http://rockandice.com/gear/buying-tips/ ... -ice-tool/

"Traditionally, mountaineering axes have featured a straight shaft, which is more effective when plunging the spike into hard snow."
https://www.gearx.com/blog/knowledge/cl ... aineering/

"straight shafted. This makes the axe spike easy to plunge into snow"
https://www.ellis-brigham.com/advice-in ... ying-guide

d_baker · Post by **d_baker** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:03 pm

Shouldn't you cite comparisons to a curved shaft? You're one dimensional.

TallGrass · Post by **TallGrass** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:07 pm

TallGrass wrote:"Straight shafts are better for plunging, self-belaying or for use in an anchor. Straight-shafted axes are best for general mountaineering.
Curved shafts resemble a small arc and are better designed for swinging into ice. Curved tools are best for technical mountaineering and ice climbing."

d_baker wrote:Shouldn't you cite comparisons to a curved shaft? You're one dimensional.

Huh?

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