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Who wants credit for this one?

Post by Wentzl » Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:29 pm

Shorter of Breath and One Day Closer . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K7TU1Hh_3U
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Post by AndrewLyonsGeibel » Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:30 pm

Man I almost posted that a day or two ago. I’m genuinely curious.
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Post by pvnisher » Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:24 am

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Post by greenonion » Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:26 am

Dates aren’t right. Let it go.
A painter’s got a canvas. The writer’s got reams of empty paper. A musician has silence.

I’m all for a quiet life. I just didn’t get one.

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Post by dwoodward13 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:18 am

I don't believe either of them are active on the forum.

Thanks to SAR and glad everyone made it out safely.
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Post by SkiFree » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:21 am

So who goofed the most on this trip?

Is it the person that couldn't find their way back to their snow shoes, or the person that left their partner after a 3pm summit?
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Post by Ptglhs » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:51 am

SkiFree wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:21 am
So who goofed the most on this trip?

Is it the person that couldn't find their way back to their snow shoes, or the person that left their partner after a 3pm summit?
Person who left their partner. IMO it is very reckless to do that. I attempted the Lincoln group last January with a friend I met on this site. We did Democrat and Cameron and once on the summit of Cameron she said she didn't have the energy to keep going. I was bummed -it was only 500 more vertical and 1.5 miles to do the last 2- but staying together in winter, especially if someone says they're not feeling well, is more important. I was glad we stayed together; visibility dropped to less than 100m on the way down. The person I went with was experienced, and a good hiker. It was probably our 6th trip together, she just wasn't feeling well. Listen to your partner and don't separate.

Two people, even if lost together, have a better chance than one: sitting next to, or on, each other reduces surface area and shares warmth, two sets of eyes to spot a trail or rescuers, take turns calling for help, etc. People have different knowledge bases and a pair can rely on both. It's entirely possible that each individual person has items the pair can use cooperatively.

Don't leave your partner on the summit of a 14er, in winter, 2 hours before it's going to be dark!

I'm glad this was a rescue, not a recovery.
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Post by SkiFree » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:05 am

Good point and good rule of thumb for the winter to never leave your climbing partner.

I would assume they asked the other partner if it was ok if they separated ways while they were on that 1st peak. But in hindsight all of the adrenaline and peer pressure probably doesn't solicit an honest response.


Your right, definitely nice to read about a rescue instead of a recovery. I guess its nice the mountains aren't going any where anytime soon.
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Post by Conor » Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:48 am

SkiFree wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:05 am
Good point and good rule of thumb for the winter to never leave your climbing partner.

I would assume they asked the other partner if it was ok if they separated ways while they were on that 1st peak. But in hindsight all of the adrenaline and peer pressure probably doesn't solicit an honest response.


Your right, definitely nice to read about a rescue instead of a recovery. I guess its nice the mountains aren't going any where anytime soon.
Perhaps the plan was made in the car for both shav/tab. Partner 1 decided to call it quits at shav and suggested the plan to split. Maybe some implicit PP if partner 2 had been talking about getting both shav/tab and partner 1 didn't want to be the spoiler.

Personally, my take away is that you have to be ultra cautious who you pick for partners as commitment increases. Not sure I would want to be out with someone who can't navigate their way down in the dark, regardless of conditions. What if something happened to me and they needed to book it down to call for help? Maybe not as big of deal on shav/tab, but it is applicable to many mountains. At some point they become more of a liability than a partner.
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Post by timstich » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:28 am

Well, in all better than losing your shoes and having to have your feet amputated, right? That's a much more dire outcome from the old Shav-Tab area of late.
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Post by TomPierce » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:44 pm

I don't necessarily fault the splitting up decision. I've occasionally been the one to bail off early; just not into it that day, worn out, not in the best shape that day, whatever. It happens. But of course it's a nuanced decision: is each climber fully competent to operate independently in the conditions, to descend safely solo? A call you discuss and make, I wouldn't automatically fault them in hindsight.

But leaving flotation in the winter? Oy...I've done it but that's something I'd think twice about. Darkness descends, weather rolls in, etc. Fwiw, on all my 'shoes and skis I have strips of good reflective tape, and orient them in the direction of my planned route of descent. Amazing how far away you can spot reflective tape at night with a headlamp.

And yeah, glad it was a good outcome. Be safe out there, and happy holidays, everyone!

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Post by pvnisher » Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:26 pm

Never leave your swim buddy!

I had to spend a night lost above Flagstaff once with a partner's nearly frozen feet on my stomach warming up so they could keep walking.
If we had split up I'm sure those toes would have been lost, and the person would have been in for a really rough night.
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