Self Supported 14er Record Attempt

[Scott P]

Is the train schedule the same this year? If so, the race is on to make the 10am departure from Needleton for Silverton.

The train arrives in Needleton at 10:47 (if it's on time)

[painless4u2]

Just wondering... if adhering strictly to the rules given, going so far as to removing the passenger seat in your car and requiring driving yourself to each TH, how does taking a train ride fit that rule? Seems like a pretty good assistance from the conductor, etc.

[John Prater]

Kind of a strange start...

Looks like 11:51pm 7/4

Looks to me like he probably started moving (from the "start") closer to 1:40-1:45 am.

[thebeave7]

Just wondering... if adhering strictly to the rules given, going so far as to removing the passenger seat in your car and requiring driving yourself to each TH, how does taking a train ride fit that rule? Seems like a pretty good assistance from the conductor, etc.

From the FKT website...
"Self-Supported
Self-Supported means you may have as much support as you can manage or find along the way, but not from any thing or person just for you; any support you employ must be equally available to anyone else."

So the train is fully in line with this ethic as it's publicly available to all and not a special ride just for him. No different than getting supplies at a grocery store or a gas station. Technically the clerk and supply chain helped you get that food (not just yourself), but either way you're not gaining a special advantage over anyone else who did the same thing the next day.

Also, looks like he's cleared hurdle #1, making the train as he should be down there shortly.

Eric

[quinnwolf]

Am I missing something? Why is he going to Silverton? Isn't his car in Durango?

[Jorts]

Just wondering... if adhering strictly to the rules given, going so far as to removing the passenger seat in your car and requiring driving yourself to each TH, how does taking a train ride fit that rule? Seems like a pretty good assistance from the conductor, etc.

Self-supported includes resources indiscriminately and equally available to the public… like trains, convenience stores, and food or water from strangers on a summit.

However, spectators are considered supported. So not sure if he’s taken that into account with family following him around for the duration. I guess if he minimizes contact with them it’s considered acceptable?

[Jorts]

Am I missing something? Why is he going to Silverton? Isn't his car in Durango?

The train doesn’t pick up at Needleton southbound unfortunately. One has to setup a shuttle ride in Silverton before starting.

[justiner]

From the FKT website...
"Self-Supported
Self-Supported means you may have as much support as you can manage or find along the way, but not from any thing or person just for you; any support you employ must be equally available to anyone else."

So the train is fully in line with this ethic as it's publicly available to all and not a special ride just for him. No different than getting supplies at a grocery store or a gas station. Technically the clerk and supply chain helped you get that food (not just yourself), but either way you're not gaining a special advantage over anyone else who did the same thing the next day.

It kinda goes against his first rule tho,

These are the rules I am setting forth to be qualified as a self-supported 14er record. I think defining “self-supported” is important to the integrity of the record as obviously someone could set this record faster if they had any level of support.

- You drive every mile from the start of the record to the finish

It would be good to clarify this - even saying, "*except the train is OK" would be fine. Or to say, "Ubers are not". Futureproofing this further, once cars drive themselves around, how does a self-supported record work?

[Jorts]

It would be good to clarify this - even saying, "*except the train is OK" would be fine. Or to say, "Ubers are not". Futureproofing this further, once cars drive themselves around, how does a self-supported record work?

I read the FKT rules as hitchhiking and/or Ubers are technically acceptable.

[Skimo95]

Crush it! Love to see less talking and more doing in the mountains. Be safe and keep us updated.

[painless4u2]

From the FKT website...
"Self-Supported
Self-Supported means you may have as much support as you can manage or find along the way, but not from any thing or person just for you; any support you employ must be equally available to anyone else."

So the train is fully in line with this ethic as it's publicly available to all and not a special ride just for him. No different than getting supplies at a grocery store or a gas station. Technically the clerk and supply chain helped you get that food (not just yourself), but either way you're not gaining a special advantage over anyone else who did the same thing the next day.

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but the OP went to great pains spelling out exact rules so there would be no misunderstanding. His statement was,
" Just to clarify: Arranging, before the clock start, any form of supply, vehicle, gear placement, etc, is not allowed, no matter what. "

Arranging a train (vehicle) ride prior to and after a few summits, by reservation, and not driven by him, would seem to be a great advantage over someone who, say, drove their own car to Purgatory and hiked in and back to his own vehicle. That would also seem a better fit to his self-imposed rules. Anyway, they are his rules and if he wants to modify them, great. Hoping he has huge success.

[two lunches]

just curious- what is the precedent for using/not using the train for Purg when attempting the self-supported FKT?