no. My first was in the 70s (but I'm not 70 yet!).
Settle a Debate between My Friend and I
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Re: Settle a Debate between My Friend and I
If just using the word climb in a general context, then your point is well taken. But I think the word climbing....as it relates to mountains/peaks.....is just a simpler way of clarifying the distinction between only needing your legs to summit----vs some hand over hand propulsion (or perhaps just putting hands down for stability). It provides a sense of that delineation without using other less familiar terms (esp. to the mountain terminology uninitiated) like "scrambling", for example.dubsho3000 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:43 amThis has become a pet peeve of mine over the years, how people in the mountaineering community have redefined the word climb. Allow me to disagree. Here is the first definition from a google search:AnnaG22 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:47 pm A lot of this comes down to semantics and whether a person really cares. If we're being literal about the verb "climb," very few people ever "climb" 14ers. If it's a question of whether they were physically in a spot at a given point in time, any means of getting there is valid, because they were there.
climb
verb
1.
go or come up (a slope, incline, or staircase), especially by using the feet and sometimes the hands; ascend.
"we began to climb the hill"
I feel like rock climbers have convinced us all that the word "climb" means something different than it actually does. Toddlers climb stairs; cars climb hills; yuppees climb the corporate ladder. Hikers climb 14ers by hiking on trails. Any time you summit a 14er, you've climbed!
Climb on
An extension of that caveat is rock climbing, as that relates to using your hands to propel. You wouldn't typically say rock "hiking"....but you might say "I hiked up that mountain". Hike connotes legs only, climb suggests hands as a supplemental means.
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Re: Settle a Debate between My Friend and I
+2! Love this!greenonion wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:21 amRock on. +1dubsho3000 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:43 amThis has become a pet peeve of mine over the years, how people in the mountaineering community have redefined the word climb. Allow me to disagree. Here is the first definition from a google search:AnnaG22 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:47 pm A lot of this comes down to semantics and whether a person really cares. If we're being literal about the verb "climb," very few people ever "climb" 14ers. If it's a question of whether they were physically in a spot at a given point in time, any means of getting there is valid, because they were there.
climb
verb
1.
go or come up (a slope, incline, or staircase), especially by using the feet and sometimes the hands; ascend.
"we began to climb the hill"
I feel like rock climbers have convinced us all that the word "climb" means something different than it actually does. Toddlers climb stairs; cars climb hills; yuppees climb the corporate ladder. Hikers climb 14ers by hiking on trails. Any time you summit a 14er, you've climbed!
Climb on
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Re: Settle a Debate between My Friend and I
I ain't a rock climber. You and I are saying pretty similar things in different ways, so...allow me to agree?dubsho3000 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:43 amThis has become a pet peeve of mine over the years, how people in the mountaineering community have redefined the word climb. Allow me to disagree. Here is the first definition from a google search:AnnaG22 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:47 pm A lot of this comes down to semantics and whether a person really cares. If we're being literal about the verb "climb," very few people ever "climb" 14ers. If it's a question of whether they were physically in a spot at a given point in time, any means of getting there is valid, because they were there.
climb
verb
1.
go or come up (a slope, incline, or staircase), especially by using the feet and sometimes the hands; ascend.
"we began to climb the hill"
I feel like rock climbers have convinced us all that the word "climb" means something different than it actually does. Toddlers climb stairs; cars climb hills; yuppees climb the corporate ladder. Hikers climb 14ers by hiking on trails. Any time you summit a 14er, you've climbed!
Climb on
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"I get scared sometimes—lots of times—but it's not bad. You know? I feel close to myself. When I'm out there at night, I feel close to my own body, I can feel my blood moving, my skin and my fingernails, everything, it's like I'm full of electricity and I'm glowing in the dark—I'm on fire almost—I'm burning away into nothing—but it doesn't matter because I know exactly who I am." from The Things They Carried