Sunlight Spire Poll
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll
There's a fair bit of Spire information, gear sizes, etc. on mountainproject.com.
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All I know is that you would not want that thing ranked. Pretty much guarantee it will end up bolted, gear all over the place. .1% care about that spire currently. Make it #59, well, whole different ball game.
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I’m just sad my trad mentors climbed the Spire without giving me enough notice. I was quite literally driving home from the SJ’s as I got the text that they were packing in for it. Didn’t have my kit with me!
But yes, if it was ranked it would be the new ABS, while the traffic on it for those that had to finish would multiply, and so would the injuries and rescues.
But yes, if it was ranked it would be the new ABS, while the traffic on it for those that had to finish would multiply, and so would the injuries and rescues.
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll
I believe it is due to the same reason Cameron, North Maroon, El Diente and North Eoulus are 14ers - they are named summits on USGS Topographic Quad maps. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that is the one and only criteria that qualifies those four peaks, as well as other lower peaks that do not meet the 300' rule, to be included in peak lists.CheapCigarMan wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 am
To agree with a couple of other folks on here. The Spire is a high point / bump on a ridge. What makes the Spire be considered a 14'er or mountain, when there are so many other high points / bumps out there? Because it simply looks cool? Challenging? Just the thought of "What if it were a 14'er!" I probably answered my own question but maybe there's another, more technical answer?
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That's interesting. Do you know what the criteria is for the USGS Topo Quad maps? What was their criteria to make it on their maps?eskermo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:23 pmI believe it is due to the same reason Cameron, North Maroon, El Diente and North Eoulus are 14ers - they are named summits on USGS Topographic Quad maps. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that is the one and only criteria that qualifies those four peaks, as well as other lower peaks that do not meet the 300' rule, to be included in peak lists.CheapCigarMan wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 am
To agree with a couple of other folks on here. The Spire is a high point / bump on a ridge. What makes the Spire be considered a 14'er or mountain, when there are so many other high points / bumps out there? Because it simply looks cool? Challenging? Just the thought of "What if it were a 14'er!" I probably answered my own question but maybe there's another, more technical answer?
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This reply leaves me in a bit of a conondrum with how to reply.eskermo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:23 pmI believe it is due to the same reason Cameron, North Maroon, El Diente and North Eoulus are 14ers - they are named summits on USGS Topographic Quad maps. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that is the one and only criteria that qualifies those four peaks, as well as other lower peaks that do not meet the 300' rule, to be included in peak lists.CheapCigarMan wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 am
To agree with a couple of other folks on here. The Spire is a high point / bump on a ridge. What makes the Spire be considered a 14'er or mountain, when there are so many other high points / bumps out there? Because it simply looks cool? Challenging? Just the thought of "What if it were a 14'er!" I probably answered my own question but maybe there's another, more technical answer?
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Sunlight Spire is not officially named. Names are on the USGS quads if they are official names determined by the US Board of Geographic Names. Since the current policy is to not give new names to unnamed peaks in wilderness areas, Sunlight Spire is unlikely to be officially named anytime soon. The recent naming of Fowler and Boskoff peaks is a rare exception to this policy
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll
Making a couple of edits.
USGS classifies Sunlight as a Summit and gives it an elevation of 14,055' - my mistake. This was Sunlight Peak not Spire.
Lists Pyramid Peak as the highest 13'er at 13,993'
Mentions Gannett Peak (not official) at 14,413' - Apparently this seems to be the same summit as Mt. Massive and was almost named Gannett Peak. However, the coordinates aren't exactly the same.
Disclaims elevations are from the National Elevation Dataset
Naming of summits seems to be based on public opinion, mostly but not always.
https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=138:2:::NO:RP::
USGS classifies Sunlight as a Summit and gives it an elevation of 14,055' - my mistake. This was Sunlight Peak not Spire.
Lists Pyramid Peak as the highest 13'er at 13,993'
Mentions Gannett Peak (not official) at 14,413' - Apparently this seems to be the same summit as Mt. Massive and was almost named Gannett Peak. However, the coordinates aren't exactly the same.
Disclaims elevations are from the National Elevation Dataset
Naming of summits seems to be based on public opinion, mostly but not always.
https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=138:2:::NO:RP::
Last edited by CheapCigarMan on Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll
Unless I'm mistaken,
Most listed 14ers have a recognized ski decent.
I'm looking forward to that first ski trip report
Most listed 14ers have a recognized ski decent.
I'm looking forward to that first ski trip report
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Give Dr. Jon a chance OK?Monte Meals wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:16 pm Unless I'm mistaken,
Most listed 14ers have a recognized ski decent.
I'm looking forward to that first ski trip report
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I claim no personal experience (way beyond me), but I do believe there is at least one trip report on here that has a list of the "pro" that was used to climb The Spire.justiner wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:54 amYeah, it's at the top anchor to rap off of. I wanna say there was a small, older bolt that was removed and a newer one put in its place. There's some fixed gear in there as well. I'm sure it's fine for rapping off of. As an aid climb, it would go totally clean. If you can get a list of the exact sizes you needed, I bet you could bring a very minimal kit with you, so you don't have to hump up a whole big wall kit. The crack looks really bomber, so you could probably aid solo it with a lot of confidence. Sorry I don't have those sizes. I'd be interested in doing the crack as a free climb, if we can do it sub-24 If it's IC grades, it's not out of the realm of mediocre climber abilities.
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Re: Sunlight Spire Poll
tbh, I think that it would be cool for the spire to be considered a 14er, but im sure a lot of people would avoid it, because it would not be a real 14er due to the 300-foot saddle rule.
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