Dogs on Quandary?

[kaiman]

Lol, never could've seen this rant coming...

and your point is?

I think he's kidding, and don't think that comment was directed at you personally Timothy. Ask any of the old vets on this site and they will tell you war stories about hard fought battles on threads about dogs and dog owners on 14ers.com. It's no surprise to some of us that this one may be headed into the gutter.

Kai

[kaiman]

https://youtu.be/TiQvDAK0FS8

LOL - I'm not sure the dog is having as good of a time as the owners think he is...

[Ptglhs]

Your reasoning sounds faulty.

Some people would be scared of dogs on the loose. How in the world can they know in advance whether those dogs are aggressive or not. Dogs are different like people. Human size does not matter when pit bulls are not well trained.

Will your voice command work when your dog meets a mountain lion?

In any case, be considerate of others and put your dog on a leash whenever you are out hiking.

It's not my responsibility whether people are scared of a dog that is with me, whether it's on or off leash, unless it is physically attacking them. I can't control other people's emotions or anxieties.

I'd MUCH rather the dog be off leash if a mountain lion is around. I'd rather have the dog be attacked and killed than me or another person.

[Timothy]

It's not my responsibility whether people are scared of a dog that is with me, whether it's on or off leash, unless it is physically attacking them. I can't control other people's emotions or anxieties.

I beg to differ. As the owner, It IS your responsibility. The sheriffs offices I have spoken with have all said that if someone feels threatened, they have the right to use whatever means they have to prevent or stop an attack. After multiple confrontations with aggressive dogs, I have reached the end of my leash.

[Ptglhs]

You have the right to use force to prevent or stop an attack. That's completely different than *feeling* something because of a dog, or a person, or a animal, or a cloud in the sky.

How's this for a 'what if' scenario:

I have a dog (on or off leash is irrelevant in this scenario). I pass someone who is terrified of dogs and they feel threatened, so they take out a weapon and kill the dog. I feel threatened, because they just killed a dog. So I kill them.

Is all of that okay with you? Both of us *felt* threatened so we were clearly justified in using deadly force.

No one here has been able to offer a compelling logical or moral reason for mandating keeping all dogs on leashes. It's just their personal preference. Much as leaving a dog off leash, until it does something to mandate restraint, is mine. I can understand it's some people's 'well, that's just what you should do.' It's their subjective manners. Agree to disagree.

[Scott P]

I pass someone who is terrified of dogs and they feel threatened, so they take out a weapon and kill the dog.

If you re just passing by, then no, they aren't justified, but if the dog is charging towards them, then they are.

I don't carry a weapon myself, but if I ever do it will be for dogs, especially those big sheep dogs. In the wild I have seen bears, mountain lions, lions, tigers, hippopotamus, etc, and have never felt threatened. Several dogs however, have scared me. On sheep dog wanted to rip my five year old son apart, but luckily there was a boulder to climb up on. If it weren't for that boulder, I hate to think of what may have happened.

[hessma]

This thread proves one thing...people and dogs are unpredictable.

[kaiman]

This thread proves one thing...people and dogs are unpredictable.

You've got that right.

[highpilgrim]

I feel threatened, because they just killed a dog. So I kill them.

If you think the person that just shot your aggressive dog won't be willing to aim his gun at the owner of the dog that just freaked him out, you're clueless.

And he just might be a better shot than you.

After training dogs for a decade in the Marine Corps, I'm aware of the damage a uncontrolled dog can do. If your off leash dog threatens me, or mine. a trekking pole, or bear spray, or a niner is heading his way. Afterwards, we'll see what you have to say. That's not bluster. Suppurating dog wounds are no fun to deal with because some nimrod likes his "harmless puppy" running free.

See the definition of suppurating.

[mtn_hound]

Kai's right, nothing personal. There have been so many of these, I didn't really have to open the thread to know what direction it was going to head. Reading the title was enough

Lol, never could've seen this rant coming...

and your point is?

I think he's kidding, and don't think that comment was directed at you personally Timothy. Ask any of the old vets on this site and they will tell you war stories about hard fought battles on threads about dogs and dog owners on 14ers.com. It's no surprise to some of us that this one may be headed into the gutter.

Kai

[Ptglhs]

If you can't follow along with a scenario as described, you're clueless. See the definition of clueless. While you're at it, see the definition of condescending.

[rpdawes]

If you can't follow along with a scenario as described, you're clueless. See the definition of clueless. While you're at it, see the definition of condescending.

I suspect that you got the definition of clueless from a dog's dictionary.