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Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by Jorts » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:15 pm

I've noticed several trailheads (Sneffels, west Sherman, etc.) leave one shy of 3000ft climbed. Anyone have any tips and tricks for where to leave a car to ensure 3000ft? Gauge the magic distance based on a phone/watch altimeter and just dump your car there? Park at the TH, run away from the summit, then reverse course? :-k
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by BillMiddlebrook » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:19 pm

Uh oh.
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by BillMiddlebrook » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:22 pm

This topic is red meat for some people but I'll tell you what I've done, and that's park lower.
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by shelly+ » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:46 pm

Do it in winter when you can't drive to the TH. Or park at the 2WD TH and walk the road. That's how I did Sneffels.
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by Chicago Transplant » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:54 pm

Yeah, if you have 2WD or climb in winter, some of these issues just solve themselves. :-D

For the two mentioned, my suggestions are below

Sherman: Iowa Gulch from the winter TH (just under 11,000')
Sneffels: Park at the Governor Basin turnoff (~10,800'). Or go via Blue Lakes from West Dallas Creek will get you a wilderness experience and avoid the 4-wheeler traffic all together.
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by ltlFish99 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:20 pm

Chicago Transplant wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:54 pm
Yeah, if you have 2WD or climb in winter, some of these issues just solve themselves. :-D

For the two mentioned, my suggestions are below

Sherman: Iowa Gulch from the winter TH (just under 11,000')
Sneffels: Park at the Governor Basin turnoff (~10,800'). Or go via Blue Lakes from West Dallas Creek will get you a wilderness experience and avoid the 4-wheeler traffic all together.
+1 on the west dallas creek trailhead approach to sneffles. You get to hike to all 3 blue lakes, then up to the pass at the base of the sw ridge route which is a lot of fun imo.
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by ltlFish99 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:30 pm

This is also an issue with the kite lake trailhead approach to the decalibron group.
Someone recommended hiking from the Montgomery reservoir approach to get the necessary gain.
This would work. I would like to hike Cameron this winter and will just need to park far enough below kite lake to achieve 3,000 feet. I readily admit that I am kind of a freak about the 3,000 foot rule, but so be it. That is what I am comfortable with and will stick with it. I need to repeat some 14ers as hiking mt. Evan's from summit lake is not something I want to count.
Plus I get to experience hiking it again from echo lake.
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by cottonmountaineering » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:37 pm

i heard jorts drove up mt evans
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by greenonion » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:09 pm

If it ain’t part of a FKT then don’t worry about it. IMO
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by shelly+ » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:28 pm

greenonion wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:09 pm
If it ain’t part of a FKT then don’t worry about it. IMO
If I follow the rule, then I end up with a longer day, which means more distance and more time spent in the mountains... which is the only thing I live for. lol I bet you knew I'd say that. :)
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by Eli Watson » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:38 pm

This is oh so fun every time, but is there a way to sticky this topic somewhere? The same questions get asked and answered repeatedly, and inevitably the same tired old discussion about the merit of fulfilling the rule ensues.

Let's run it again from the top. As a card-carrying member of the Stodgy Ultra-Purist 3000' Rule Finisher Society, here is my definitive guide to pedantry:

Bierstadt (14,060') & Evans (14,264')
Guanella Pass TH (11,669'): No
Echo Lake TH (10,650'): Yes
Summit Lake TH (12,850'): No

Judging by a topo map cross-referenced with Google Maps for parking on the way to Guanella Pass, it appears you need to park at the Naylor Lake Rd lot. I've dropped a pin for directions to the Guanella Pass TH.

Blanca (14,345'), Ellingwood (14,042') & Little Bear (14,037')
Lake Como (11,750'): No
Zapata Crk TH (9060'): Yes

There's a couple places to park en route to Lake Como, Bill mentions a couple spots around 10,000' for high clearance 4WD. That's it until the Lake. I've parked at 8000' everytime.

Culebra (14,047')
Upper 4WD TH (11,650'): No
'Four Way' 4WD Parking (11,240'): No
2WD Parking at the Ranch HQ: Yes, but you really don't want to do this unless you have to (winter) as it adds 4.4 mi each way. And that road is hot after noon. I walked down it to Ranch HQ in July.

I have 2WD so I got a ride to Four Way. Unless you make friends the night before, ask Manuel or I forget the other guy's name... Rodrigo? After they let everyone go, it's a race to see who's the most impatient off-road driver up the road. Four Way does not fulfill the 3000' Rule, but there is no parking along the road unless you park in the grass. You have to walk down the slope and wander around until you drop below 11,047'. Having done this myself, I suggest walking down a grass slope into the trees, rather than a couple miles down the road.

Democrat (14,148'), Cameron (14,238'), Lincoln (14,286') & Bross (14,172')
Kite Lake TH (12,000'): No
Mineral Park TH (11,400'): No
Montgomery Reservoir Parking (10,900'): Yes
Paris Mill Parking en route to Kite Lake TH (11,000'): Yes
Quartzville TH (11,650'): No

Parking at Paris Mill adds 2.7 mi each way.

Grays (14,270') & Torreys (14,267')
Grays Upper 4WD TH (11,280'): Questionable.
Grays 2WD I-70 Parking (9900'): Yes
Grizzly Gulch 4WD TH (10,320' - 11,000'): Yes
Loveland Pass Parking (11,990'): No

Grays Peak TH is close, but technically you'd need to wander down the road 10' vert to achieve this for Grays and that counts for a subsequent Torreys combo. Add another 3' vert required for Torreys first. There's a couple places to park along the 4WD road prior to the TH that more than fulfill this objective. 2WD and anyone arriving after 4 / 6 AM on summer weekends / weekdays parks at I-70 below 10,000' to add 3 mi each way.

Handies (14,048')
American Basin Upper 4WD TH (11,600'): No
American Basin Lower 4WD Parking (11,300'): No
Grouse Gulch TH (10,720'): Yes
Silver Crk / Grizzly Gulch TH (10,400'): Yes

My 2WD has no idea where an acceptable place to park along the road to Cinnamon Pass is. But 11,048' is about 2.4 mi each way from the upper TH.

San Luis (14,014')
Stewart Creek TH (10,500'): Yes
West Willow Creek TH (11,500'): No

Google Maps doesn't want to cooperate for directions. There's no early parking on the CR-530 before West Willow Creek TH unless you decide you're going to be that guy and park on the road. It's a wide road but still uncouth. Park at the TH and turn around to walk 2 mi down the road.

Sherman (14,036')
Fourmile Creek Upper 4WD TH at the Gate (12,000'): No
Leavick Site Parking (11,250'): No
Fourmile Winter Closure (11,100'): No
Iowa Gulch TH (12,000'): No

The listed 5.25 mi RT becomes 13.5 mi RT from parking near Fourmile Campground at 10,800', since there was no parking available closer to the required 11,036'. You're on your own for figuring out the Leadville side.

Sneffels (14,150')
Yankee Boy Basin Upper 4WD TH (12,460'): No
Yankee Boy Basin Lower Outhouse 4WD Parking (11,350'): No
Yankee Boy Basin Governor Basin Junction 2WD Parking (10,800'): Yes

Either park at the outhouse and walk down the road or park at the highest 2WD parking. I parked below the "C" cut for snow.

Additonal references:

CaveDog's 'Colorado Rule'

illusion7il's visual demonstration:
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Re: Fully Realizing the 3000ft Rule

Post by JChitwood » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:21 pm

Good grief look at all the 14ers I have to reclimb.
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