I think calling out double standards in the community IS useful.
You mean like you saying that anyone who has climbed Bross legally can't call anyone out, while you yourself has climbed it? Sounds like a double standard.
oldmanforest wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:04 pm
Was it open or closed when Andrew Hamilton and Homie did speed record attempts on the 14ers and climbed those peaks?
I don't know since I pay (almost) zero attention to speed records. I do know that a lot of people setting records make sure they do things legally. Also, as mentioned there is a public access point on Bross that people tag and still count it as being climbed. Most people agree that it is OK to coun the summit if you reach the highest point available on public land (if the summit is closed and you can get very, very close to it). That point is only a few vertical feet from the true summit of Bross.
Also, something that you are apparently too stupid to understand is that now is the worst time to be poaching these peaks and admitting to it on a public forum. The landowers are following the forum and a lot of people are trying to secure access for these peaks. Poaching them right now might ruin access for EVERYONE and is an A-hole move. The plan is to openup the peaks soon, but the landowers say that people breaking the rules is the reason it is being delayed. Why is that too hard for you to understand?
Also, if someone discretely climbed Bross when only the last few feet were closed, it might not be right, but it isn't going to affect everyone as much as climbing all three peaks and announcing doing so on a huge public forum while access is being negotiated and the land owners who are monitoring the forum are specifically asking people to stay off during the negotiation.
I'm old, slow and fat. Unfortunately, those are my good qualities.