How do you feel about reservation work-arounds?

[climbingcue]

I'd rather see paved and easily drivable access roads plowed up and replaced with single track and no access limits. Make the approach long enough and the hoards are no longer an issue.

Earn your wilderness experience, don't f*cking drive within a couple hundred yards of it.

Which is why I think that train should not be an option for hikers. Hike in the 16 miles each way.

[crossfitter]

Surprise, surprise that the authoritarians here all love the idea of daddy government giving permission when and where it is ok to go walking.

The equitable solution is obvious: as Dave B says, move the parking lots and trailheads further away, so that only the people who really want it and are willing to put in the work go, and you move all the congestion to an area that can handle it. You don't need bureaucracy to solve this, just reduce demand by removing the low hanging fruit.

[12ersRule]

Buy you own land now, they ain't making more.

What if I want to climb everything? I can't own everything. I don't love it when I'm accessing the public land behind the sliver of land you own, and wonder if you're coming out to wag your stupid gun in my face, when I need about 2.2 seconds to cross your land.

[Jon Frohlich]

Which is why I think that train should not be an option for hikers. Hike in the 16 miles each way.

Personal perspective here but I'm trying to do Jagged and Pigeon and finally finish out the centennials. Time off is limited. Fitness isn't the best right now due to life circumstances. Wildfire smoke is wreaking havoc with my asthma. I'd like the best possible chance of summitting Jagged and taking the train out of the equation makes it that much more difficult.

I appreciate that for others that extra 16 miles makes little difference but to me it does and might make the difference but finishing and not. "Get in better shape" really isn't an option when the smoke never goes away.

[SamWerner]

I think the parking permits on Quandary are largely a good idea, but if you're going to replace easy access with something else, it should probably be better than a 12 person shuttle every 30 minutes from 5am. That's just too small and too infrequent (and probably starting too late) to replace the existing parking lot. Hopefully they'll improve the service later this year or next year.

In the grand scheme of possible restrictions, parking restrictions are pretty minor and easy to work around if you spend some time. I'm not looking forward till the eventual hiker limits though.

[climbingcue]

Which is why I think that train should not be an option for hikers. Hike in the 16 miles each way.

Personal perspective here but I'm trying to do Jagged and Pigeon and finally finish out the centennials. Time off is limited. Fitness isn't the best right now due to life circumstances. Wildfire smoke is wreaking havoc with my asthma. I'd like the best possible chance of summitting Jagged and taking the train out of the equation makes it that much more difficult.

I appreciate that for others that extra 16 miles makes little difference but to me it does and might make the difference but finishing and not. "Get in better shape" really isn't an option when the smoke never goes away.

We are doing Jagged from Beartown the weekend after this, my last centennial.

[Jon Frohlich]

We are doing Jagged from Beartown the weekend after this, my last centennial.

Good for you?!? Great you don't have asthma, life, or other health issues that impact your ability to climb right now. I hope you never do.

[highpilgrim]

Buy you own land now, they ain't making more.

What if I want to climb everything? I can't own everything. I don't love it when I'm accessing the public land behind the sliver of land you own, and wonder if you're coming out to wag your stupid gun in my face, when I need about 2.2 seconds to cross your land.

No shite. Plenty of assholes like this around to make the world a "safer" place. I'll bet they're dentists. Or lawyers. Patriots all.

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[crossfitter]

Buy you own land now, they ain't making more.

What if I want to climb everything? I can't own everything. I don't love it when I'm accessing the public land behind the sliver of land you own, and wonder if you're coming out to wag your stupid gun in my face, when I need about 2.2 seconds to cross your land.

No shite. Plenty of assholes like this around to make the world a "safer" place. I'll bet they're dentists. Or lawyers. Patriots all.

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I think the phrase you are looking for is, "happily pardoned after expressing their 2nd amendment rights"

https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-governo ... 54822.html

[highpilgrim]

"happily pardoned after expressing their 2nd amendment rights"

Only because the governor is another turd in need of flushing.

[climbingcue]

We are doing Jagged from Beartown the weekend after this, my last centennial.

Good for you?!? Great you don't have asthma, life, or other health issues that impact your ability to climb right now. I hope you never do.

Not sure what this is for, I was just saying we have a different route from the train. And what I think about the train does not matter since they will still take your money and bring you in. Sorry you have some many issues, the smoke has been very bad the last couple of years. It totally sucks, and I am always happy when the snow comes, much clearer and takes out the smoke.

[SkaredShtles]

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I'll bet they're dentists. Or lawyers. Patriots all.

They *are* lawyers, for the record. Shocking, I know...