Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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CaptainSuburbia wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:03 am Is there a list for 13er finishers including unranked peaks? I know Boggy finished.
CaptainSuburbia wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:04 am Thanks! 14ers.com only list 767 13ers. Loj seems to have more than 775.
The 13er list Bill uses here on 14ers is ranked (regardless of name) + soft-ranked (regardless of name, and Bill doesn't signify whether a peak is soft-ranked or unranked, they're just labeled unranked) + officially named (regardless of rank). LoJ has a lot of other unranked, unnamed 13ers, many of which come from Dwight Lavender's The San Juan Mountaineers' Climber's Guide to Southwestern Colorado. The Sneffels Range is particularly rife with these as there are all kinds of unofficially named towers along the ridges of the area and on Sneffels itself. The first two columns on the LoJ 13ers page that Susan mentions don't take into account whether a peak is officially named, just prominence/(soft-)rank. The first is all ranked 13ers (which will line up with the ranked list here on 14ers), the second is ranked + soft-ranked, the third is all LoJ 13ers regardless of rank or official name. Boggy's the only person to have completed the list here on 14ers to my knowledge, but he might know more about the history of said accomplishment since not everyone uses this site or LoJ. Mike Garratt has done all ranked+soft-ranked 13ers but not all officially named 13ers. Nobody's completed the full LoJ list and I doubt anyone ever will.
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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supranihilest wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:17 am
CaptainSuburbia wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:03 am Is there a list for 13er finishers including unranked peaks? I know Boggy finished.
CaptainSuburbia wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:04 am Thanks! 14ers.com only list 767 13ers. Loj seems to have more than 775.
The 13er list Bill uses here on 14ers is ranked (regardless of name) + soft-ranked (regardless of name, and Bill doesn't signify whether a peak is soft-ranked or unranked, they're just labeled unranked) + officially named (regardless of rank). LoJ has a lot of other unranked, unnamed 13ers, many of which come from Dwight Lavender's The San Juan Mountaineers' Climber's Guide to Southwestern Colorado. The Sneffels Range is particularly rife with these as there are all kinds of unofficially named towers along the ridges of the area and on Sneffels itself. The first two columns on the LoJ 13ers page that Susan mentions don't take into account whether a peak is officially named, just prominence/(soft-)rank. The first is all ranked 13ers (which will line up with the ranked list here on 14ers), the second is ranked + soft-ranked, the third is all LoJ 13ers regardless of rank or official name. Boggy's the only person to have completed the list here on 14ers to my knowledge, but he might know more about the history of said accomplishment since not everyone uses this site or LoJ. Mike Garratt has done all ranked+soft-ranked 13ers but not all officially named 13ers. Nobody's completed the full LoJ list and I doubt anyone ever will.
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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supranihilest wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:17 am The 13er list Bill uses here on 14ers is ranked (regardless of name) + soft-ranked (regardless of name, and Bill doesn't signify whether a peak is soft-ranked or unranked, they're just labeled unranked) + officially named (regardless of rank). LoJ has a lot of other unranked, unnamed 13ers, many of which come from Dwight Lavender's The San Juan Mountaineers' Climber's Guide to Southwestern Colorado. The Sneffels Range is particularly rife with these as there are all kinds of unofficially named towers along the ridges of the area and on Sneffels itself. The first two columns on the LoJ 13ers page that Susan mentions don't take into account whether a peak is officially named, just prominence/(soft-)rank. The first is all ranked 13ers (which will line up with the ranked list here on 14ers), the second is ranked + soft-ranked, the third is all LoJ 13ers regardless of rank or official name. Boggy's the only person to have completed the list here on 14ers to my knowledge, but he might know more about the history of said accomplishment since not everyone uses this site or LoJ. Mike Garratt has done all ranked+soft-ranked 13ers but not all officially named 13ers. Nobody's completed the full LoJ list and I doubt anyone ever will.
Sums it up pretty well.

The 3rd column on the aforelinked page includes all kinds of made-up peaks like "Captain Bivwacko," "Yahoo Mountain," "Pin Point," the criteria for inclusion essentially being their appearance in some published work, and thus a perpetually moving target that includes gobs of insignificant and uninteresting objectives, alongside good ones like "Sunlight Spire" (formerly 13k), "The Hand" and "T 3" (near Sneffels), etc.

Whereas, "unranked" is usually taken to mean "soft-ranked" and/or "officially named." Soft-ranked are significant in that they're almost ranked, and likely more accurate future elevation measurements will shuffle things around the prominence threshold both ways. Officially named looked prominent enough to receive official names, the only explanation in certain cases being that the lookers failed to see the big-ass mountain beyond (see: Mt. Cosgriff with its 48 feet of prominence).

As for history, my knowledge is limited:
I wrote: the now-767 13ers on Bill's list ... is a superset of the 696 ranked and "unranked" (but officially named by the USGS) 13ers, and it includes most or all of the soft-ranked peaks as well. In the natural course of list inflation I determined to climb all 727 Colorado 13ers that are currently ranked, soft-ranked, or named, regardless of inclusion in Bill's list. Our ascent of Little Finger represents the completion of both objectives ... Purely because there is only one soft-ranked 14er (North Massive), I conveniently extended this goal to encompass all 786 Colorado peaks over 13,000' that are currently ranked, soft-ranked, or named.

Unknown hobnail-booted, wool-clad hardmen and hardwomen may well have completed these objectives under different terms prior to the information age. Certainly the mountaineers of yore displayed a zeal for adventure in unappealing venues that is scarce nowadays.
Much more recently, Peter Stabolepszy is believed to have completed all ranked and then-named Colorado peaks over 13,000' (754 as of this writing).
Steve Gladbach in addition to his many mountaineering achievements hoped to (and surely would have) become the second person after Stabolepszy to complete that list.
Mike Garratt has completed all ranked and soft-ranked Colorado peaks over 13,000' (686) but appears to have stopped a few peaks short of the named 13ers.
There are probably others who are pursuing or completed similar goals but do not record their ascents publicly.
I note that Garratt still has Needle Ridge, Gray Needle, Keyboard of the Winds, and St. Sophia Ridge unclimbed (on LoJ). The named list really hinges on Gray Needle. The crushers (Kirks, Gergen, Nolan, & co.) don't seem to care much for unranked peaks.

13ers:
Ranked 13ers (>=300' prominence): 584
Soft-ranked 13ers (>=280' prominence): 112
Named unranked 13ers (>0' prominence): 31
Unnamed unranked 13ers (>0' prominence): Infinity

The 58:
Ranked 14ers (>=300' prominence): 53
Named unranked 14ers (>0' prominence): 5

The bonus list:
Soft-ranked 14ers (>=280' prominence): 1 (N Massive)
Unnamed unranked 14ers (>0' prominence): 15
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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Boggy B wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:18 pm alongside good ones like "Sunlight Spire" (formerly 13k)

13ers:
Ranked 13ers (>=300' prominence): 584
Soft-ranked 13ers (>=280' prominence): 112
Named unranked 13ers (>0' prominence): 31
Unnamed unranked 13ers (>0' prominence): Infinity

The 58:
Ranked 14ers (>=300' prominence): 53
Named unranked 14ers (>0' prominence): 5

The bonus list:
Soft-ranked 14ers (>=280' prominence): 1 (N Massive)
Unnamed unranked 14ers (>0' prominence): 15
Does your list of 584 include former 12ers that have been promoted to 13ers status? Everything was bumped up, correct? I don't see that adjustment reflected on LoJ. I was thinking of Bledsoe/Pk R but assuming there are others.

To be honest, I don't even know how official that USGS 5 foot bump is since elevations seems inconsistent on various lists now.
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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Jorts wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:37 am
Boggy B wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:18 pm alongside good ones like "Sunlight Spire" (formerly 13k)

13ers:
Ranked 13ers (>=300' prominence): 584
Soft-ranked 13ers (>=280' prominence): 112
Named unranked 13ers (>0' prominence): 31
Unnamed unranked 13ers (>0' prominence): Infinity

The 58:
Ranked 14ers (>=300' prominence): 53
Named unranked 14ers (>0' prominence): 5

The bonus list:
Soft-ranked 14ers (>=280' prominence): 1 (N Massive)
Unnamed unranked 14ers (>0' prominence): 15
Does your list of 584 include former 12ers that have been promoted to 13ers status? Everything was bumped up, correct? I don't see that adjustment reflected on LoJ. I was thinking of Bledsoe/Pk R but assuming there are others.

To be honest, I don't even know how official that USGS 5 foot bump is since elevations seems inconsistent on various lists now.
His list does not, I included 4 of the 12ers in my 13er list and climbed them all before my 13k finisher for a list of 641 when including the ranked 14ers. The 12ers I included are:

Overlook Point: 12,998' (San Juan off the ridge above Chicago Basin/Lime Mesa)
"Peak R" (aka "Bledsoe"): 12,995' (Gore between Peaks Q and S)
Jones Mountain North: 12,995' (Sawatch off Cottonwood Pass above Ptarmigan Lake)
Red Mountain: 12,994' (Sangres, near Bushnell and Hunts)

The 5th highest 12er is 12,990' and unlikely to get bumped up to the 13k list.
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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Jorts wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:37 am Does your list of 584 include former 12ers that have been promoted to 13ers status? Everything was bumped up, correct? I don't see that adjustment reflected on LoJ. I was thinking of Bledsoe/Pk R but assuming there are others.

To be honest, I don't even know how official that USGS 5 foot bump is since elevations seems inconsistent on various lists now.
The difference in Colorado was 3-9 feet depending on location.

I don't know of anyone who has calculated an updated list for the 12ers and 13ers based on the recalculation. A few (such as Gerry Roach) did for the 14ers.

It might be a moot point since a new calculation/adjustment is due to be out next year.

It seems that most people (and 14ers.com and LOJ) just use the elevations on the 7.5 minute topo maps (or 15 minute maps in AK).
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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There are also 10 soft-ranked 13ers with at least 290' of prominence, least loved of which is 13030 near Oso.
"East Pole Creek Mtn" (291') doesn't see much traffic either.
Of these, UN 13555 (near Huerfano) and UN 13517 (Sangre) have at least 295'.

The new 3DEP survey should allow wide-scale correction of prominences, especially for the vast number of peaks whose height and prominence are interpolated from the 40' contours.
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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From the above comments it sounds like these are close definitions of what Ranked, Unranked, and Soft Ranked peaks are:
Ranked = 300' of prominence
Unranked = Soft Ranked = less than 300' of prominence

Still a little unclear of Named and Unnamed:
Named = Significant enough that someone named it and that name gave it a reputation. Sounds like a Named peak could be either Ranked or Unranked?
Unnamed = Simply doesn't have a name yet. Sounds like an Unnamed peak could be either Ranked or Unranked?

Perhaps I'm asking for more discussion and definition on what a Named and Unnamed peak is.
And the correlation between Named/Unamed peaks to the Ranked/Unranked peaks. What is their relationship with each other?
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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CheapCigarMan wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:53 am Perhaps I'm asking for more discussion and definition on the correlation between Named/Unamed peaks with Ranked/Unranked peaks. What is their relationship with each other?


Ranked - prominence = 300' or higher.
Soft-ranked - 280' to 299'.
Unranked - below 280'

Named peaks - has an official USGS name. North Maroon Peak is an officially named peak.
Unnamed - does not have an official USGS name. The name of the peak conventionally appears in quotes if it has an unofficial name like "Southeast Longs". Another example is a peak with no name the centennial, pt13811, for example.

There is no correlation between ranked and named. Some examples:

Longs Peak = is a ranked and named peak
North Maroon Peak = unranked and named peak
Pt13811 = ranked and unnamed peak
"Southeast Longs" = unranked and unnamed peak, thus unworthy of anyone's time.


I'm not certain whether the entire U.S. recognizes 300' as the standard for Ranked or not. I think in Europe it is 100 meters.
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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12ersRule wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:00 am Ranked - prominence = 300' or higher.
Soft-ranked - 280' to 299'.
Unranked - below 280'
This, but only if the elevation for either (or both) the connecting saddle and/or peak is interpolated. Peaks where both elevations are given in a topo map aren't soft ranked even if they have 280' to 300' of prominence. Example:

https://listsofjohn.com/mobile/peak/6280

Soft ranked just means that a peak might have 300' of prominence, but the interpolated value is 280-299. Since it is possible such a peak has 300 feet of prominence, it is given a soft rank.

North Massive is a good example to use to show why the peak is soft ranked.

The topo maps don't give a spot elevation for either the peak or the connecting saddle.

The peak is between 14,320' and 14,360' and the saddle is 14,040 to 14,080' The prominence of the peak using interpolation is 280', but the possible prominence range is 240' to 320'.

There is a 75% chance that the peak is unranked and a 25% chance that the peak is ranked, so the peak is given a soft rank since it might be ranked.

Signal Butte (in the link) is not soft ranked, even though it has 299' of prominence since the summit elevation has a spot elevation of 6522' and the saddle also has a fixed elevation of 6223'. Assuming the topo map is correct (and lists always assume it is until proven otherwise), there is a 0% chance that the peak is ranked, thus no soft rank. Someone would have to go out there and prove that the topo map is in error for it to be ranked, but it will never be soft ranked since both the saddle and peak have spot elevations.
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Re: Summiting Colorado's Peaks Above 13,000'

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12ersRule wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:00 am I'm not certain whether the entire U.S. recognizes 300' as the standard for Ranked or not. I think in Europe it is 100 meters.
The Northeast at the very least doesn't; the AMC uses a 160' clean/200' potential prominence on its lists for NH, VT, ME. NY sort of uses the same rule for the ADK list. I believe the same rule is also used for the 6000' peaks in the Smokies/Southern Appalachians. From what I've seen, the Western US all seems to use 300' clean. So it might be a Mississippi River division thing.
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OK, trying to collect the 13er finisher info from earlier in the thread to extend the list (beyond #29) that Jon F posted.

Those with a finisher number were names published by the CMC as finishers (what I could find). The finisher numbers in parens were not provided by the CMC, though (I added those). Those without a finisher number were names I didn't find published by the CMC as finishers (yet).

1 Mike Garratt ------ Jul 31, 1987
2 Bob Martin Lizard Head Sep 14, 1989
3 Ken Nolan UN 13010 Sep 11, 1992
4 Jean Aschenbrenner Paiute Pk. Sep 18, 1993
5 Susan Schwartz Finnegan Pk. Aug 6, 1995
6 Jack Dais Lizard Head Sep 5, 1998
7 Debby Reed West Elk Pk. Sep 9, 2000
8 Jennifer Roach Peak N Sep 22, 2001
9 Jack Eggleston Lizard Head Jun 17, 2002
10 Dan Bereck Whale Pk. Jul 14, 2004
11 Dave Goldwater P 2 Jul 25, 2005
12 Chris Rupert Peak Q Aug 20, 2005
13 Teresa Gergen UN 13001 Sep 11, 2005
14 Peter Stabolepszy Siberia Pk. Sep 2, 2006
15 Kirk Mallory Peak Nine Aug 25, 2007
16 Gary Swing South River Pk. Sep 16, 2007
17 Steve Gladbach Mt. Warren Sep 8, 2008
18 Dave Landers Peak Fifteen Sep 13, 2008
19 Debi Hruza Boreas Mtn. Sep 1, 2010
20 Gerry Roach Animas Mtn. Sep 1, 2010
21 Mark Schmalz Kendall Mtn. Sep 3, 2011
22 Sarah T. Meiser Lenawee Mtn. Sep 24, 2011
23 Craig Patterson Old Baldy Sep 24, 2011
24 Lynn Prebble Mt. Flora Oct 9, 2011
25 Kathee Thomure UN 13164 Jul 16, 2013
26 Carrie Cooney Boreas Mtn. Aug 3, 2013
27 Tim Cooney Boreas Mtn. Aug 3, 2013
28 Derek Wolfe Bennett Pk. Aug 24, 2013
29 John Kirk Mt. Oso Aug 31, 2013

30 Dave Hahn "Golden Bear Pk." Aug 23, 2014
31 Fred Askins "Fortress Pk."/"U 3" Sep 12, 2014
32 Roger Linfield Kelso Mtn. Sep 3, 2015
33 Dave Goldstein Eagles Nest Sep 8, 2015
34 Mike Hruza "North Gold Dust Peak" 13346 Sep 21, 2015
35 Gary Neben West Elk Peak Oct 12, 2015
36 Duane Nelson "Peak L" 13213 Sep 11, 2016
Alyson Kirk Peak 9 Sep 17, 2017
37 Kevin Baker Fairview Pk Sep 22, 2018
(38) Kent Beverly Dome Mtn. Aug 3, 2019
(39) Cindy Annie 2019
(40) Nicholas Baki 2019
Michael Davis Animas Mtn. Sep 28, 2019
(41) Jon MacManus UN 13034 Aug 29, 2020
(42) Terri Horvath "East Storm" Sep 18, 2020
Vadim Beliaev West Elk Pk. Sep 18, 2020
Mike Rodenak Star Pk. May 16, 2021
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