Settle a Debate between My Friend and I

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What qualifies as summiting a 14er

ONLY Hiking up a Trail
35
20%
Hiking Up a Trail or Highway but NOT Biking
22
12%
Hiking or Biking up a Trail but not a highway
8
4%
Hiking or Biking up a Trail or Highway
88
49%
Driving Counts as Summitting
25
14%
 
Total votes: 178
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Re: Settle a Debate between My Friend and I

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jrbren_vt wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:01 pm Is there a statute of limitations on climbs ? I did my first 14er (Elbert) over 30 years ago.
no. My first was in the 70s (but I'm not 70 yet!).
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dubsho3000 wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:43 am
AnnaG22 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:47 pm A lot of this comes down to semantics and whether a person really cares. If we're being literal about the verb "climb," very few people ever "climb" 14ers. If it's a question of whether they were physically in a spot at a given point in time, any means of getting there is valid, because they were there.
This has become a pet peeve of mine over the years, how people in the mountaineering community have redefined the word climb. Allow me to disagree. Here is the first definition from a google search:

climb

verb
1.
go or come up (a slope, incline, or staircase), especially by using the feet and sometimes the hands; ascend.
"we began to climb the hill"

I feel like rock climbers have convinced us all that the word "climb" means something different than it actually does. Toddlers climb stairs; cars climb hills; yuppees climb the corporate ladder. Hikers climb 14ers by hiking on trails. Any time you summit a 14er, you've climbed!

Climb on
If just using the word climb in a general context, then your point is well taken. But I think the word climbing....as it relates to mountains/peaks.....is just a simpler way of clarifying the distinction between only needing your legs to summit----vs some hand over hand propulsion (or perhaps just putting hands down for stability). It provides a sense of that delineation without using other less familiar terms (esp. to the mountain terminology uninitiated) like "scrambling", for example.

An extension of that caveat is rock climbing, as that relates to using your hands to propel. You wouldn't typically say rock "hiking"....but you might say "I hiked up that mountain". Hike connotes legs only, climb suggests hands as a supplemental means.
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greenonion wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:21 am
dubsho3000 wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:43 am
AnnaG22 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:47 pm A lot of this comes down to semantics and whether a person really cares. If we're being literal about the verb "climb," very few people ever "climb" 14ers. If it's a question of whether they were physically in a spot at a given point in time, any means of getting there is valid, because they were there.
This has become a pet peeve of mine over the years, how people in the mountaineering community have redefined the word climb. Allow me to disagree. Here is the first definition from a google search:

climb

verb
1.
go or come up (a slope, incline, or staircase), especially by using the feet and sometimes the hands; ascend.
"we began to climb the hill"

I feel like rock climbers have convinced us all that the word "climb" means something different than it actually does. Toddlers climb stairs; cars climb hills; yuppees climb the corporate ladder. Hikers climb 14ers by hiking on trails. Any time you summit a 14er, you've climbed!

Climb on
Rock on. +1
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dubsho3000 wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:43 am
AnnaG22 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:47 pm A lot of this comes down to semantics and whether a person really cares. If we're being literal about the verb "climb," very few people ever "climb" 14ers. If it's a question of whether they were physically in a spot at a given point in time, any means of getting there is valid, because they were there.
This has become a pet peeve of mine over the years, how people in the mountaineering community have redefined the word climb. Allow me to disagree. Here is the first definition from a google search:

climb

verb
1.
go or come up (a slope, incline, or staircase), especially by using the feet and sometimes the hands; ascend.
"we began to climb the hill"

I feel like rock climbers have convinced us all that the word "climb" means something different than it actually does. Toddlers climb stairs; cars climb hills; yuppees climb the corporate ladder. Hikers climb 14ers by hiking on trails. Any time you summit a 14er, you've climbed!

Climb on
I ain't a rock climber. You and I are saying pretty similar things in different ways, so...allow me to agree?
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