I think this is the area we faced in, the circle... other than that... faced out.highpilgrim wrote:Three more images. Sorry I didn't sequence them correctly.
Thanks for the photos.
JQ
I think this is the area we faced in, the circle... other than that... faced out.highpilgrim wrote:Three more images. Sorry I didn't sequence them correctly.
Hehe, next time I’ll try that. When it happened, I yelled for them not to move until we caught up to them. When we got there, they were trying to crossover to the west gully...200 feet too low. When we got there, one of them mentioned they got a little scared, so I laid into a “if you are scared here, turn around now bc it will only get sketchier and we can’t rescue you”.pfiore1 wrote:
Tell them and people like them that the mountain is closed, no more admittance, their amusement park is closed. The Crestones have reached full capacity for the day and the Custer County Sheriff Department is on their way right now to enforce the mountain's closure. I can't believe we don't have 100+ missions per summer.
Agreed. Did Crestone Needle today and the crossover from the East to West Gulley definitely required a class 4 move. With the lack of cairns, there were a couple of spots I got off route and it turned into class 4, although on the down climb it was much easier and the only class 4 move I made was the crossover again, however for the sake underestimating the difficulty of the route, I'd say upgrade to class 4 as well. CSAR was up there today getting a climber who had also cliffed out. I personally felt like there were enough cairns to make it fairly obvious where the route went, never felt truly lost. However, with CSAR having been there as I was climbing, it seems to be pretty easy to get off route. As far as addressing the problem, Only a couple more cairns, or even a bullseye target like on Longs Peak at the crossover between the gullies would be enough to prevent a lot of these accidents.Hjelmstadlt wrote:I was up in the Sangres this past Saturday and climbed the Crestone Needle from its standard route for the first time without snow. I knew the general way from past experience letter boxing up and down the steep gully but without snow I was alarmed at the horrendous amount of poorly cairned routes. This route is classified as class 3 on the route description but many of the cairned routes require a couple of class 4 moves and are very difficult to follow. In just the short amount of time I was up there I witnessed a group have to arrest a fall of a lesser experienced climber attempting a class 4 down climb as well as 3 climbers go down the wrong gulley including my own partner because of poorly placed cairns. I luckily caught my partner but the other group of two hiked all the way down the gulley and unfortunately cliffed themselves out and had to get rescued by other climbers. I feel, due to the heavy traffic on this route that a problem such as this should be addressed to prevent further accidents. I would recommend a better designated route or an upgrade of the route from a 3 to a class 4.
I think I passed you guys on the way down from the Needle today. Glad you guys were able to help the climber and seems like it all went well.pfiore1 wrote:Hey, what's up Woody? Good to see you on here. With all this talk about descending the West Gully too far down...guess what just happened? Again. Late last night during our General Monthly Meeting we got a call from dispatch that another climber was cliffed out down low in the West Gully, same spot as usual. We got going at 0300 and got him out safely this morning. Just got home and read all these new comments about the Needle's gullies. This time the climber did not miss the crossover but rather descended back down the West Gully after he and his partner lost their bearings apparently very close to where the trail restarts from the bottom of the East Gully back to BHP. Glad he made the smart decision not to push his limits and attempt to downclimb further or ascend something he was very uncomfortable with. When in doubt, stay put and call for help. There has been so much traffic down the West Gully that there is now a path taking shape. Even though there are no cairns leading down the West that low, the vegetation is getting so trampled that there appears to be quite a distinctive looking route, until of course it cliffs out. I've got a bad feeling these incidents and worse are only going to get more frequent.
And thanks Tornadoman for the waves. I'm sure that was Jamie thanking you for having helmets. We were just so surprised at how many people didn't care about their own heads earlier that day. Glad you had a great time up there this past weekend.
And thanks to everyone else for those kind words.
I’ve done the Needle twice, and I don’t understand why people switch gullies either. I think it’s simpler to just climb all the way up a single gully. That way, it’s not possible to miss the crossover on the descent.randalmartin wrote:I have heard several others say before they don't understand why East Gully isn't the standard route. After reviewing your photos and reading through this thread and others I would have to agree.
Another may be that this website describes crossing over and has pictures of where to do this as the standard route description.pmeadco wrote:One big reason people switch over is Roach recommends it.
Yes, but the issues with people botching the crossover have been so well-publicized that I’d think fewer people would follow that route.dpage wrote:Another may be that this website describes crossing over and has pictures of where to do this as the standard route description.pmeadco wrote:One big reason people switch over is Roach recommends it.