stephakett wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:53 am
Conor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:55 am
I've heard similar complaints about the new tacos as you list here. Toyota's schtick through the 90's was beefy but underpowered engine, way overbuilt tranny and driveline. They have shifted more to a "just right" model taking out a lot of the overbuilt components but left the underpowered engine. Which is leading many to the complaints you have here.
The other problem with toyota is they have never made an engine to hang their laurels on. Chevy did it, ford is doing. But, I can buy a brand new crate "LS" motor for about the same as I can buy the parts to rebuild my toyota motor, and that's sourcing through amayama. Maybe the GM motor would end up being $1000 or so more, but it also makes double the horsepower.
i see what you're saying, chevy has kept pretty much the same engine for decades (with a few flops here and there) but the engines in the toyota truck, and the gen 1, gen 2 tacomas are million mile motors. even though they've changed and evolved more than chevy motors for the last 50 years, they're incredibly reliable and will take A LOT of abuse... ford
cannot compete with these, and i think they're going to have to change it up again from the twin turbo eco boost shenanigans they're pushing out right now-- it could maybe work for the bronco because they're not primarily designed for towing, but there are some overheating/spooling issues on inclines, under load that i don't want to deal with.
its_not_a_tuba wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:39 am
I am in a 2017 4Runner and I have no problems staying in the left lane on passes, well except for the problems I have with the people in front of me! I agree though that the truck does not have enough torque and feels sluggish off the line.
the 5th gen has more torque than the newest wranglers... and "sluggish off the line"??? YEAH. it's a utility vehicle, not a freakin' race car
Dave B wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:51 am
My wife has a 2011 Trail Edition 4runner. I love that truck. It's definitely has way more gas to it than the gen 3 Tacos. It does what you want it to, when you want it, but on road the body roll and nose diving (even with Billy 5100s) drives me nuts. We put Duratracs on it last go around and their flimsy side wall just made the problem worse. Super fun truck off road tho...
i've seen a set of duratracs last 100K mi. they have superior traction on trails, as well as snow, and ice and the sidewall is not flimsy, in my experience. best tires i've ever had, worth every penny.
There is no million mile petro motor that doesn't have a manufacturer's recommendation for a rebuild at some point. Even my 1FZFE which toyota has "scheduled" for a "million miles" assumes 2 rebuilds. I'm putting pieces together right now and shaving corners for things where I buy from toyota manufacturer (aisin, denso, ishino stone etc), DIY, ordering from UAE or Japan etc, I'm looking at $6k plus for a full rebuild. And I feel lucky to even be able to source the parts new and OEM. The guru grand daddy of this particular engine lives in longmont and people ship their motors to him from all over the country for a $12 to $15k engine rebuild. Meanwhile, the lq4 in my landcruiser can be rebuilt for maybe a 1/3 of the cost. With the awesome aftermarket support, you don't worry as much with aftermarket parts. All parts are readily available and if I had to, I could go to any junk yard in the denver (or anywhere really) area right now and drive home with a motor that doesn't cost me an arm and a leg. And like I said, double the horse power.
Even at close to 300k on my "stock" landcruiser, stuff is breaking. 5 cylinders have compression around 140, one has 90 psi. Americans are generally poor at maintaining vehicles because of an infatuation with always having a "new vehicle." But, the cost to maintain an older vehicle is far from $0. Even when running well, there are always things you can be maintaining.
I do think ford is pretty invested in the V6 turbo'd engines. The cooling issues can be dealt with, especially since every tractor trailer deals with it every day. And those are true million mile motors.