Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

[highpilgrim]

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.But the dogs are all well-trained and friendly, and the poop bags are biodegradable in 500 years, so it's cool.

[coneydogron]

What if a GoPro mounted gun on a leashed dog shoots an offleash human? Just trying get all the rules straight before I head out on a trail...

[timisimaginary]

No dog no matter how fierce is going to turn down food. Did you try giving it food, or did you just stand there shitting yourself. That was my go to for years, meaning just standing there and shitting myself. lol. Now I use the food trick- it works. btw a grizzly is going to level you at 25 mph and your whole head can fit in its mouth.
We'll just have to disagree on this one.

reminds me of the solution for off-leash dogs described in this article... bascially, when confronted with a (friendly) off-leash dog, he lures it away with treats and takes off running, letting the dog run after him. if the owner truly has command of their unleashed dog, then it shouldn't pose a problem... if they don't, then they'll be in for an unplanned workout. seems like a better way to teach the owner a lesson than shooting the dog, which i'm pretty sure is what motivated the guy who shot this dog. i would've liked to get his side of the story before commenting, but since he didn't feel the need to stick around and give it, that's pretty telling. any responsible gun owner who fires their weapon, and felt justified in doing so, is going to stick around to explain themselves, not run and hide afterwards. i certainly agree there are scenarios in which shooting the dog may be justified, but i doubt this is one of those situations.

for the record, i'm extremely pro-dog and generally anti-gun. i'm also extremely pro-leash and get very upset with people who go around with their dogs unleashed on trails, precisely BECAUSE i'm so pro-dog. it's better for the dog and for everyone else if you keep it leashed in public. your dog can have plenty of fun while still being leashed. i've been bitten by a dog while out running (luckily it was a little dachsund, but it was still enough to draw blood even biting through a pair of jogging pants) and while i've fortunately not encountered a aggressive big dog off-leash on the trails, i get nervous everytime i have to come up on an unleashed dog, because you have no idea what you're in for. everyone THINKS their dog is well-behaved, but very few are justified in that belief.

btw... just having a dog on a leash doesn't mean you have him under control either. the dog who bit me was on a leash. i was running a loop in a park, i passed by a bench with an old man, his (i presume) grandson, and their little dog. the dog barked and lunged at me every time i ran past them, but it was ok, the old man was holding the leash. then one time i ran past, and inexplicably the old man had handed the dog leash to the kid, who obviously did not have the strength or knowledge to control it properly, so this time when the dog lunged at me, he got far out enough to nip me. i don't blame the kid, i do blame the old man who should have known better than to hand the leash to the kid, especially after the dog had already been exhibiting aggressive behaviours. and when you're on the trail, even if the dog is leashed, you're still going to probably get close enough that the dog could lunge at you, so a leash alone is no guarantee of safety. leashes help, but it's still the dog owner's responsibility to be able to fully control that animal around others.

Pretty insensitive solution for people who might not be able to run.

is shooting their dog a more "sensitive" solution? if they don't want to be forced to run to chase after their dog, maybe they should be "sensitive" enough to keep their dog on a leash in the first place. they're obviously not acting "sensitively" towards other trail users, people who have legitimate fears of dogs, etc. so why do they deserve the same "sensitivity" they refuse to show others? and why would someone who can't run think they were ok taking their dog out unleashed in the first place? running is a thing dogs tend to do.

[ker0uac]

mt bikers should have to buy habitat stamps too while we're on it.

mt bikers and dog owners.... entitled ass hats

Totally agree. I find mt bikers the greatest danger to me and my dog, well above bears and other dogs.

[DArcyS]

D'Arcy, just a modest proposal, eh?

Correct. Maybe the fee ends up being $50 for leashed and $500 for unleashed. But I stand behind the general concept that you regulate behavior with money. Sugar tax to drink Pepsi, a sin tax to drink and smoke, etc.

[DArcyS]

I’m sorry but y’all are nuts if you are that blindsided that you believe people will pay a $1000 fee annually to take their dog on PUBLIC NATIONAL LAND. Also in CO you need to register your dog, which is a permit in its own. GLHF. I’m retiring from this thread until both sides come out

Oh, I'm sure if the fine is stiff enough and the dog is impounded for 90 days upon a violation, people will get the idea that the law has teeth.

And "PUBLIC" doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want.

[LURE]

Oh, I'm sure if the fine is stiff enough and the dog is impounded for 90 days upon a violation, people will get the idea that the law has teeth.

And "PUBLIC" doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want.

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[coneydogron]

I’m sorry but y’all are nuts if you are that blindsided that you believe people will pay a $1000 fee annually to take their dog on PUBLIC NATIONAL LAND. Also in CO you need to register your dog, which is a permit in its own. GLHF. I’m retiring from this thread until both sides come out

Oh, I'm sure if the fine is stiff enough and the dog is impounded for 90 days upon a violation, people will get the idea that the law has teeth.

And "PUBLIC" doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want.

Pretty sure law enforcement and animal control is not equipped to handle impounding a bunch of dogs. Not to mention, the responsibility to ensure their safety while impounded and the sure to come lawsuits of improperly treated dogs. They're probably also not equipped to enforce handing out all the fines. They don't have the time to visit the back country and issue citations or hang around trail heads waiting. Sounds good in theory, at least the fines do, but not very practical.

[shays_days]

If only we could "leash" every single danger out in the wild so that the coddled generation can feel "safe". Hell, maybe we should petition for fences around trails so nobody can feel threatened by bears and rattlesnakes.

Agree with you though. We failed this generation by raising them to be punk bitches.

First of all, you're really rude and seem really easily offended. Also, I think you have to climb something harder than longs before you can call people punk bitches and pansies on a climbing forum...

EDIT: I did see that you've actually done a lot more impressive stuff than Longs which kind of makes me look dumb, but I still think you're a dick.

It's kind of useless to discuss the specific situation since the details are so sparse. The shooter could've been a psychotic freak or legitimately defending his life. Who knows and why make up hypotheticals to soapbox your views?

The permit thing isn't a bad idea but it would NOT be popular and I really doubt people would pay to do that. It doesn't seem unreasonable at least in crowded areas (like Front Range) for your dog to have a little tag or something to say they've been certified for voice commands if they want to be off leash. I don't have a dog so I'm not sure how practical that is.

[ker0uac]

The permit thing isn't a bad idea but it would NOT be popular and I really doubt people would pay to do that. It doesn't seem unreasonable at least in crowded areas (like Front Range) for your dog to have a little tag or something to say they've been certified for voice commands if they want to be off leash. I don't have a dog so I'm not sure how practical that is.

Maybe if we frame it as having a tag spares your dog of a bullet, more people would buy into it.

[Bombay2Boulder]

I’m for this in regards to rattlesnakes.

Agree with you though. We failed this generation by raising them to be punk bitches.

We're fine thanks. You failed us by doing nothing about climate change warnings for 50 years.

With the introduction of climate change, this thread now has Hall of Fame potential.
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Now hold on, nobody has complained about Boulder yet. That's a pre-req for Hall of Fame threads.

[climbingcue]

nobody wants to pay for public lands. i'm liking this dog permit idea

dogs are a nuisance to the forests and often a detriment to the wildlife that live within them, not to mention a damn annoyance to most folks recreating within the forest

if people don't wanna follow the laws regarding dogs on public land maybe they should be required to buy a dog stamp, or dog permit for certain areas. can help pay for more rangers to enforce the goddamn rules.

mt bikers should have to buy habitat stamps too while we're on it.

mt bikers and dog owners.... entitled ass hats

I agree that Hikers, Bikers and Dogs should have yearly permits just like my SXS ATV ($25) a year and snowmobile permit ($30.25) per year. It does not have to be super expensive, I think $25 a year would be fair and could go a long way to fixing trails and keeping areas clean. Hikers and Bikers are the ones that have always gotten the free ride. Hunters are the ones that pay the most for access and it helps out all the people that don't pay. BTW: I am not a hunter, but have many friends that are.