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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by ekalina » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:15 pm

thurs wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:32 pm
ekalina wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:16 pm
Really interesting to see that map of alpha angle. Do you know if there's a publicly-available tool to make maps for other areas?
Well, no finished maps that I know of. I made that map myself and it took about 30 minutes to run the analysis just for that part of the state. It is all done with publicly-available data and tools though -- DEM + GRASS GIS with the iterative horizon finder.
I figured it might be something custom. Thanks for sharing the map you made; it is a good example of what to look out for!
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by headsizeburrito » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:40 pm

Looking for education resources for noobs like myself.

CAIC has this "know before you go" program: https://www.avalanche.state.co.us/educa ... -colorado/

CMS is offering a free one hour online program: https://coloradomountainschool.com/prod ... ss-clinic/

CMC has Avalanche Terrain Avoidance for $40, might already be booked up: https://www.cmc.org/Classes/CMCClassesa ... afety.aspx

AIARE 1 would be nice in the future, but I don't have the money for it so that (and trips with higher potential risk) will wait for later and I'll certainly stick to more conservative stuff this winter.

Any other suggestions for places to start?
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by d_baker » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:48 pm

I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but Bruce Tremper's, "Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain" is a good resource.
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by DArcyS » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:12 pm

Conor wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:48 am
Strunk & white had something about never using a dollar word/phrase when penny words suffice.
Conor, do you recall anything from them about capitalization?

+1 for mentioning Strunk & White.

+10 for the comedic genius, whether intentional or unintentional. :lol:
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by Conor » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:18 pm

DArcyS wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:12 pm
Conor wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:48 am
Strunk & white had something about never using a dollar word/phrase when penny words suffice.
Conor, do you recall anything from them about capitalization?

+1 for mentioning Strunk & White.

+10 for the comedic genius, whether intentional or unintentional. :lol:
It was a gift from my professors, one of which at the time was the senate majority leader for the state of colorado. For an engineering only college, it was quite the oddball gift to give students who generally hated writing. Fortunately, it never got tossed and I picked it up many years later. Of course, the book is titled The elements of style. I'm sure grammar is somehow intertwined in there, but never really my interest. I always remembered the dollar word/penny word thing. Less so for style, more as I don't like coming off as a sesquipedalian. How's that for "comedic genius?" Can I get another +10?
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by Conor » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:21 pm

headsizeburrito wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:40 pm
Looking for education resources for noobs like myself.

CAIC has this "know before you go" program: https://www.avalanche.state.co.us/educa ... -colorado/

CMS is offering a free one hour online program: https://coloradomountainschool.com/prod ... ss-clinic/

CMC has Avalanche Terrain Avoidance for $40, might already be booked up: https://www.cmc.org/Classes/CMCClassesa ... afety.aspx

AIARE 1 would be nice in the future, but I don't have the money for it so that (and trips with higher potential risk) will wait for later and I'll certainly stick to more conservative stuff this winter.

Any other suggestions for places to start?
friends of berthoud pass. Some members here are volunteers and they run educational events a couple times a year.

+1 for tremper's book. Of course, the big takeaway will be to get an inclinometer.
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by DArcyS » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:19 am

Conor wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:18 pm
I always remembered the dollar word/penny word thing. Less so for style, more as I don't like coming off as a sesquipedalian. How's that for "comedic genius?" Can I get another +10?
Very good, +10.
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by gb » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:50 am

headsizeburrito wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:40 pm
Looking for education resources for noobs like myself.

CAIC has this "know before you go" program: https://www.avalanche.state.co.us/educa ... -colorado/

CMS is offering a free one hour online program: https://coloradomountainschool.com/prod ... ss-clinic/

CMC has Avalanche Terrain Avoidance for $40, might already be booked up: https://www.cmc.org/Classes/CMCClassesa ... afety.aspx

AIARE 1 would be nice in the future, but I don't have the money for it so that (and trips with higher potential risk) will wait for later and I'll certainly stick to more conservative stuff this winter.

Any other suggestions for places to start?
Not cheap, but cheaper than an Avy 1. https://www.mtnsense.com/
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by Justin9 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:55 am

gb wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:50 am
headsizeburrito wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:40 pm
Looking for education resources for noobs like myself.

CAIC has this "know before you go" program: https://www.avalanche.state.co.us/educa ... -colorado/

CMS is offering a free one hour online program: https://coloradomountainschool.com/prod ... ss-clinic/

CMC has Avalanche Terrain Avoidance for $40, might already be booked up: https://www.cmc.org/Classes/CMCClassesa ... afety.aspx

AIARE 1 would be nice in the future, but I don't have the money for it so that (and trips with higher potential risk) will wait for later and I'll certainly stick to more conservative stuff this winter.

Any other suggestions for places to start?

AvySavvy.ca has some fun tools and good information.
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by bmcqueen » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:50 am

Expect tomorrow's and Wednesday's map to be mostly red and maybe even a black zone...be safe folks.
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by Bale » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:21 pm

There seems to be a few groups in which the “experts” get whacked at a disproportionately high number.
F1 drivers, BASE wingsuit flyers, and backcountry winter enthusiasts.
“The avalanche doesn’t care that you are an expert”, Atwater I believe.
Not trying to be flippant, just remembering the highly experienced folks that have perished in the Western US in the last few years. Don’t get complacent, be safe out there.
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Re: Avy concerns: Unusually dangerous conditions

Post by Bombay2Boulder » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:31 pm

Telluride Mountain Club has some upcoming events around backcountry safety and stuff. I will highly recommend to attend one. Details below-
https://www.telluridemountainclub.org/t ... y-chats-2/
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