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Swallowtail skis

Post by pvnisher » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:56 am

Who uses these? Or has even ridden them?

I've seen a few, the pescado is the leading contender, but never actually ridden a set.
The snowboard ones seem pretty good for powder days, but the ski versions seem like they'd provide less benefit.

Curious if anyone has em and what they have to say.

https://lineskis.com/en-us/swallowtail-skis
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by Jorts » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:31 am

That design has been done by some snowboard companies for over a decade.
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by spoony » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:39 am

I think Folsom also does (did?) a pair.

I have not skied a swallowtail, but I think they would be fun in deep snow though I suspect the swallowtail might make it goofy to attach skins. I wonder if the swallowtail effect is enough to change the balance/style of skiing?
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by BillMiddlebrook » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:42 am

Looks dumb. If you're buying these skis, you probably own FiveFingers "shoes"
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by cottonmountaineering » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:49 am

i remember seeing this design in 80s/90s snowboards, probably a good reason why it never took off
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by mtn_hound » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:50 am

I used to have a swallowtail surfboard, it was great for ripping tight turns but you really had to unweight your front foot. Seems counterproductive on skis.
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by SkaredShtles » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:13 am

BillMiddlebrook wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:42 am
Looks dumb. If you're buying these skis, you probably own FiveFingers "shoes"
This.

Also: NO. :evil:
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by gb » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:35 am

Jorts wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:31 am
That design has been done by some snowboard companies for over a decade.
Even the earliest snowboards, like the Burton Performer, had a bit of a swallowtail. But ski design was right there with them (if not earlier), Hexcels from the 70's had swallowtails. Winterstick (snowboards) have always been known for swallowtails.

I haven't skied a swallowtail, but it seems like there are better ways to achieve float these days.

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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by Barnold41 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:46 am

A ton of snowboard companies have brought this design back and people I know who've ridden them say they are only beneficial in REALLY deep snow, which isn't happening much in the northern mountains this year... Inserts are set back pretty far so weight distribution is tail heavy. I've ridden the NS Swift that has a slight swallowtail but haven't ridden it in deep stuff yet. It's a fun enough shape to enjoy it on groomer cruiser days but some other shapes are pretty specific.

Seems ridiculous on skis ](*,)
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by Jorts » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:08 am

BillMiddlebrook wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:42 am
Looks dumb. If you're buying these skis, you probably own FiveFingers "shoes"
Although some of the industry's best innovations started out as "looking dumb"... like pin bindings, front notch skin attachments, and fat/rockered skis.

Having said that, bet these ski like crap.
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by spoony » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:09 am

I'm surprised at the hate for swallowtail on here (though Bill's FiveFingers wisecrack made me laugh).

I mean, yeah, I would not take a Pescado on a climbing trip, but if you have a few pairs of skis already and want something for deep days, why not? The Blister bros seemed to like it....
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Re: Swallowtail skis

Post by NathanRL » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:01 pm

I have the Folsom Powfish; I don't have a touring binding on them though. Booted up Shasta with them. They ski well—can't complain, super cambered and sidecut though, so kinda hooky if you really want a powder ski. A buddy of mine loves the Line Sakana; there was a pair on Boulder CL for cheap recently. A lot of people on pow days at Squaw ride the Jones snowboards with the fish tail.

Ultimately it probably makes no difference, though if it really doesn't matter, why not cut off that little portion of tail and save the weight? It also seems like you could hook skins on more easily if they were designed for it, kinda like 4FRNT does with their "Hoji hole."
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