I like how relentless Rastro can be!! Shakes things up a bit!

It seems like Peakmind was lucky during that climb.
I don't think I've ever drank 9 Liters in one day.
When I went back to do NMB and the traverse, I did just that...I went back across the traverse to NMB rather than navigate the confusing, winding path down SMB.James Scott wrote:What a day- I really like the "rules" that you isolated in the text, especially:
Law of Disintegration:
large problems are made up of many little questions;
solve large problems by resolving easy questions
I will remember that on some mountain someday.
When I did the traverse, we left at about 5:00, summited North Maroon at 9:15, and Maroon at 11:00. Of course, we were thinking back to the car by 3 or 4. We didn't get back until after 6:00. It was an epic battle following the cairns on that long ridge off Maroon- we became convinced that marmots had started building cairns just to mess with us, leading to ridges that cliffed out. In hindsight, I wondered if it would have been more expedient to just turn around, go back across the traverse, and come down North Maroon instead. It took us 6 hours from the car, across the traverse, to Maroon, then it took us 7 hours to get back to the car. Is that just crazy thinking, or does it make some sense?
In my opinion, no judgment is possible without understanding the goals of the individual.rastro wrote:i say this from first hand experience - attempting Maroon Peak alone is idiotic. In addition, gaining the ridge before 11:00am is crucial. My first attempt on Maroon got me way off route approx. 500-750 ft. from the ridge, and I got myself into a steep gully to nowhere; I was thankful to simply get off the mountain that day. The following year I made sure I had a partner (however weak he ended up being) and successfully summited. Bottom line: although I've summited over half of my 26 peaks solo (including Kit Carson/Challenger) being on Maroon alone is extremely dangerous.
There are a few reasons maps in guidebooks are wrong. Keep in mind that many 14er trails (Wetterhorn, Belford, and Massive to name a few) have been rerouted since the last editions of the guidebooks. Sometimes there are multiple trails. Using Maroon Peak in particular the one trail (that leads far right on the ridge as you go up) is not marked in any guidebook to my knowledge. In Roach's 14er book the map showing the old trail for Wetterhorn is just plain wrong (Roach notes this on his website) and the new trail was constructed after the book was published. Sometimes due to terrain complexity it's very difficult to draw a line that makes much sense compared to reality anyway.MUni Rider wrote: I hear ya on the route discrepancies we find on the maps in guide books. I don't know how many times the routes on the maps will show a straight line leading up, when in reality the trail will zig-zag across switchbacks and meander around until it eventually works it's way up. It seems that the person drawing the route on the map does so a week later and at home; all based off memory after having climbed 6 more peaks since the time of the cimb that he's presently writing up? "Let's see now.... how exactly did the trail go again? hmmmmmmm, well it started down here, ends up on that ridge there, so I'll just draw a straight line between the two..... anyone hiking will be sure to figure it out."
Bingo!Jon Frohlich wrote:There are a few reasons maps in guidebooks are wrong. Keep in mind that many 14er trails (Wetterhorn, Belford, and Massive to name a few) have been rerouted since the last editions of the guidebooks. Sometimes there are multiple trails. Using Maroon Peak in particular the one trail (that leads far right on the ridge as you go up) is not marked in any guidebook to my knowledge. In Roach's 14er book the map showing the old trail for Wetterhorn is just plain wrong (Roach notes this on his website) and the new trail was constructed after the book was published. Sometimes due to terrain complexity it's very difficult to draw a line that makes much sense compared to reality anyway.MUni Rider wrote: I hear ya on the route discrepancies we find on the maps in guide books. I don't know how many times the routes on the maps will show a straight line leading up, when in reality the trail will zig-zag across switchbacks and meander around until it eventually works it's way up. It seems that the person drawing the route on the map does so a week later and at home; all based off memory after having climbed 6 more peaks since the time of the cimb that he's presently writing up? "Let's see now.... how exactly did the trail go again? hmmmmmmm, well it started down here, ends up on that ridge there, so I'll just draw a straight line between the two..... anyone hiking will be sure to figure it out."
I guess after enough centennials the exact line on the map doesn't bother me anymore. I've gotten used to finding my own way... :D My GPS track from Oklahoma looks like drunk wandering.