Getting to trailheads

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Re: Getting to trailheads

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aprockies wrote:I know rental car companies forbid using their vehicles on unpaved roads.
You're misinformed. This is either an outright myth or a gross exaggeration. There's a very large part of the US that would be completely inaccessible if you could only drive on pavement. Heck, look at the town of Silverton - pretty much only the main street is paved. Just for giggles I took a look at the generic Hertz rental agreement. There's no mention of road surface anywhere. Now, some roads, or trails can be explicitly excluded (and you will find this on Jeep rentals, at least I've seen it in the Moab area), but those are usually local designation types of things. Most of the time the rental agreement just deals in terms of results - as in damage done, or excessive cleaning. I suggest you give your preferred rental company a call and ask the specific question. As long as you rent an appropriate vehicle (ie, an SUV and not a sub compact), you should have no issue driving to most trailheads. There's certainly nothing dishonest about it.

Fun fact - most car insurance companies define 'off road' as not on a named or designated road, or a vehicle that cannot be driven on public roads ('street legal'). A Forest Service number counts just as much as a county road number. Things like literally off road (as in driving through a field), so called 'off road parks', or designated trails (there is a difference) do not.
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Re: Getting to trailheads

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I live in Buena Vista, and could potentially shuttle you. PM me if you want to talk about it.
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Re: Getting to trailheads

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I think my reading of another national rental company's contract was inline with Acidchylde's summary. I've rented cars and taken them to numerous dirt road trailheads with no issues. Also, if you have good insurance coverage, no need for additional coverage at any point. I did however, wash the rental truck I took to redcloud/sunshine/handies that was covered in mud. Good to now others have not bothered.

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Re: Getting to trailheads

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derekesq wrote:I think my reading of another national rental company's contract was inline with Acidchylde's summary. I've rented cars and taken them to numerous dirt road trailheads with no issues. Also, if you have good insurance coverage, no need for additional coverage at any point. I did however, wash the rental truck I took to redcloud/sunshine/handies that was covered in mud. Good to now others have not bothered.

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Try renting thru "Turo", privately owned rentals. Last summer I rented a 2015 4Runner and the owner was OK with dirt roads and light 4WD roads.
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Re: Getting to trailheads

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acidchylde wrote:
aprockies wrote:I know rental car companies forbid using their vehicles on unpaved roads.
You're misinformed. This is either an outright myth or a gross exaggeration. There's a very large part of the US that would be completely inaccessible if you could only drive on pavement. Heck, look at the town of Silverton - pretty much only the main street is paved. Just for giggles I took a look at the generic Hertz rental agreement. There's no mention of road surface anywhere. Now, some roads, or trails can be explicitly excluded (and you will find this on Jeep rentals, at least I've seen it in the Moab area), but those are usually local designation types of things. Most of the time the rental agreement just deals in terms of results - as in damage done, or excessive cleaning. I suggest you give your preferred rental company a call and ask the specific question. As long as you rent an appropriate vehicle (ie, an SUV and not a sub compact), you should have no issue driving to most trailheads. There's certainly nothing dishonest about it.

Fun fact - most car insurance companies define 'off road' as not on a named or designated road, or a vehicle that cannot be driven on public roads ('street legal'). A Forest Service number counts just as much as a county road number. Things like literally off road (as in driving through a field), so called 'off road parks', or designated trails (there is a difference) do not.
It's actually not an outright myth or exaggeration.

I looked at the few agreements that I could actually find online.

Rental agreements from Alamo, and Enterprise both include this:

"Vehicle shall not be driven on an unpaved road or off-road."

From Hertz Agreement (It seems like unpaved is allowed)

"Driving on unsuitable road conditions: examples:
Driving on a road in bad condition without due care resulting in damage to the undercarriage.
Driving on a beach causing damage by salt water and/or sand.
Driving through flooded roads causing
damage to the engine."

I called Budget, they agree with you about named roads! Should be fine, paved or unpaved.
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Re: Getting to trailheads

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No problem if you don't damage it on some 4wd. I drove my rental on dirt last year (low clearance) and just washed it before returning. Many tourist roads and campgrounds are dirt. And ski area parking lots. A great example in CO is Fall River Rd in RMNP. Most trailheads are on dirt roads.
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I have not been anywhere in the last 25 years in Colorado, that was not in a rented vehicle, or a buddy's vehicle.
I have taken rental vehicles "off road" on numerous occasions, to any trail head I wanted to go. I have returned the vehicles, and got a receipt with zero inspections on numerous occasions, and when they did inspect, the car was already beat to heck when we got it, they stopped looking for damage, the were just making sure they could turn it quickly to see if they can get it rented again as soon as possible.
I have rented some real pieces of Shyd in Denver, the last trip we got a jeep whatever, that you could see, plain as day, it was wrecked and repaired very poorly, and the entire rental time we had it, had a crazy vibration at speeds over 50 MPH, squeaks and rattles at all speeds, and had a severe pull to the right.
We told the rental agent about it, and looking right at us, she said "uh huh." We watched it go through the car wash and brought back out to the lot while we were there, and another family got in moments later, and drove off
Return it, with it being able to be driven, (I guess) during the busy season. No worries.
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Yukon Ron wrote:I have not been anywhere in the last 25 years in Colorado, that was not in a rented vehicle, or a buddy's vehicle.
I have taken rental vehicles "off road" on numerous occasions, to any trail head I wanted to go. I have returned the vehicles, and got a receipt with zero inspections on numerous occasions, and when they did inspect, the car was already beat to heck when we got it, they stopped looking for damage, the were just making sure they could turn it quickly to see if they can get it rented again as soon as possible.
I have rented some real pieces of Shyd in Denver, the last trip we got a jeep whatever, that you could see, plain as day, it was wrecked and repaired very poorly, and the entire rental time we had it, had a crazy vibration at speeds over 50 MPH, squeaks and rattles at all speeds, and had a severe pull to the right.
We told the rental agent about it, and looking right at us, she said "uh huh." We watched it go through the car wash and brought back out to the lot while we were there, and another family got in moments later, and drove off
Return it, with it being able to be driven, (I guess) during the busy season. No worries.
What company was that? Since I spent over an hour in line at Budget 5 years ago, I have never rented anywhere but enterprise - never more than a 10 minute wait, never a car with over 15K miles or any issues.
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Yukon Ron wrote:Return it, with it being able to be driven... No worries.
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You can drive a rental vehicle on dirt roads. So long as they are named or numbered roads (i.e. actual roads), your contract cannot be legally voided in Colorado. This varies by state. You are good to drive a rental vehicle to any 14er trailhead in Colorado, so long as you don't damage it. I worked in the rental business for years.
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aprockies wrote:It's actually not an outright myth or exaggeration.
I cannot speak to Alamo, never have used them and probably wouldn't by choice. Enterprise, however, there was no such phrase in the contract either of the times we have rented from them out here. We took one of their Pathfinders over several passes in the southwest part of the state. In searching online the only place I can find that phrase is in the UK/Ireland agreement (but I'll grant you is really hard to find any company's terms up front, almost like they didn't want you to know the fine print before you made a reservation). Out here I don't think Enterprise could even operate if they had or enforced that clause. If I had it readily accessible I'd post a map of Colorado roads by surface type. There's a *lot* of places you can't reach on pavement, and we're not talking about the middle of nowhere either. Maybe it's a different agreement in other parts of the county like it is in the UK.