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Climate change:

is happening and is a direct consequence of industrialism and overpopulation over the last 200yrs and if we do nothing, humans are going to live in dramatically different, inhospitable conditions over the next 200yrs, think Mad Max
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is happening and is just a natural cycle of the earth and environment, will happen again once we are long gone, and possibly not much we can do about it except maybe at the margin
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is likely happening and we just currently lack sufficient information over a long enough period to draw an accurate conclusion of the extent that humans have possibly impacted its potential acceleration
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is Hogwash, what climate change? It's the media and politicians trying to scare us or sway votes and public opinion. EVs? I don't even like charging my phone.
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TNF thread got me thinking...
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Yes, the climate can change naturally.

Yes, human activities are directly responsible for the current unprecedented rate of warming.
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1 and 2.
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Climate change is real. The climate has been changing for 4 billion years. I don't care what anyone says, not even a thousand years of recorded history can without a doubt confirm any educated guess. Before you proceed, there's a difference between a guess, and proven facts.
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myfeetrock wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:42 pm Climate change is real. The climate has been changing for 4 billion years. I don't care what anyone says, not even a thousand years of recorded history can without a doubt confirm any educated guess. Before you proceed, there's a difference between a guess, and proven facts.
NASA disagrees:
The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95% probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over millennia.1
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95%.Not 100% without a doubt. To each his own. We don't have to share the same views.
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myfeetrock wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:08 pm 95%.Not 100% without a doubt. To each his own. We don't have to share the same views.
I don't think you understand statistics, or science in general. Nothing can be 100% without a doubt. Nothing.
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So Mad Max or three versions of "nothing to see here"? :-k

Can you tell a person's political views by how they write a poll? I think you can.
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AndrewLyonsGeibel wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:27 pm 1 and 2.
That's sort of where I land. I think there is natural fluctuation in the climate, and this is borne out to some extent by the historically fluctuating levels of CO2 in the atmoshere. But I think that man-caused pollution, etc. aggravates the fluctuation to our detriment, significantly. Potentiation?

Fwiw, I find the ice core data compelling, hard to argue against 800,000 years of data. Finally, just common sense: We can pump tons of industrial waste into the atmoshere for almost 200 years (or whenever the industrial revolution truly kicked off) with absolutely no consequences? None? Hmm....hard to wrap my head around that.

Just my opinions.

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releasing ~1.5 trillion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere has changed things undoubtedly
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I’m not sure what to think, or what to do
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SchralpTheGnar wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:52 pm I’m not sure what to think, or what to do
Try this: https://www.vineright.com/print/pdf-reg.php?ID=61335
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