What's the best type of training?

[Plugugly]

If you followed the TftNA book completely, you would need to workout about 15 to 18 hours a week. I think this book is helpful because it reminds me to vary my work, and that I can go for a 1 hour run instead of a 4 hour hike everyday. Strength is important. Flexibility and core are important. For me, getting above 13k once a week; hitting Mt Morrison or Shadow Cyn twice a week; and otherwise running, weights, core. Basketball with my kid would probably be my only non-climbing HITT. And I always stretch whatever muscles I've used.

And I drink a ton of water. BlahBlah that's just me, spouting opinion.








Rudy Can't Fail.

[Plugugly]

You live in Salt Lake. You can climb a peak every day if you want.

True. But I don't have any winter ascent experience.
I'm looking for a good peakbagging "list" if you will. Something for a beginner like myself. 7ers, 8ers, etc.
I'm sure the Wasatch has plenty.

You have already been given a list of peaks several times that are next to SLC that require no winter experience. Why don't you go read the threads you already started and stop asking the same s
questions over and over again?

Why talk to him like you're a dick? You're usually one of the most helpful on here. Go back to bed.

[Plugugly]

Other than fake it until you make it.
You can't climb peaks every day so how do you guys train for the mountains?

Strength training will make you relatively injury proof (I do it once or twice a week). Long slow distance will improve your cardio/engine whatever you want to call it. HIIT (short bouts of high intensity... like a series of 4 min fast 2 min recovery; or 30 seconds fast/one minute rest; etc.) will increase speed and efficiency. The ratio of long slow distance to HIIT should be around 80 to 20 of your total training volume or whatever works for the individual. Some people can absorb more intensity and/or volume than others.

It's all about consistency and building and not just jumping in to a 10+ hour week.

Weekend warrior types, often crunched on time, try to go hard for every workout to squeeze in as much as possible. That's a big pitfall. It leads to plateauing. These people are never fresh enough to go truly hard and they never absorb the gains of the work they put in. You want to keep your easy workouts truly easy and hard workouts hard.

Climb stairs, do hilly runs and hill repeats, throw on a heavy pack and slog up some hill. Work with what you have to emulate going uphill in the mountains.

There are no shortcuts. Top cyclists put in 25+ hours in the saddle per week. Besides the unemployed and professionals and psychos who don't sleep, I don't know anyone with that kind of time. Those of us with less time can still get pretty fit if we're consistent day to day.

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[Plugugly]

3. Mental training is just as important - I don't know how to explain this one. Maybe you either have it or you don't. Can one learn mental resilience and endurance? Regardless of your training, you will often hit a mental wall. You might be cold. You might still be a little high from previous night's edibles. You might be irritated coz gas station in Leadville ran out of toilette paper. Can you still push through?

This one is huge. I had exercised my whole life when I started 14ers/13ers, but it's hard to prepare for going all day. It's easy enough to be fatigued after a night of poor sleep and 3000'+ of elevation, but having to be "on" for hours is not something you'll experience through regular workouts. Even if they're easy, try going on walks for 8-9 hours. They don't have to be grueling, but you'll get a better sense of how to handle the mental fatigue. Keep your pack on for those btw, and fill it as if you're going up a peak.

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[Plugugly]

This is how “fitness influencers” make a living on Instagram gege

I would pay attention to Scott and Steve; they’re pretty anti-that and their combined resumes prove they’re not talking trash to push bs.

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[NathanRL]

IMO you should train like a trail runner, those guys are in the best mountaineering shape of anyone (with some climbing mixed in depending on how technical your objectives are. You might not be trying to do Denali in a day, but those guys who can do Denali in a day would have zero trouble with the physical exertion of doing Denali in two weeks.

So long runs uphill. Though I have to say, I remember as a kid trying to run from my house up the goat trail on Sanitas without stopping, and I couldn't do it. This year I got into running on flat ground, and all of a sudden I could run to the top without stopping. Seems to me running on flat ground can be one component of trail running training, but ideally wouldn't be all of it.

[Plugugly]

IMO you should train like a trail runner, those guys are in the best mountaineering shape of anyone (with some climbing mixed in depending on how technical your objectives are. You might not be trying to do Denali in a day, but those guys who can do Denali in a day would have zero trouble with the physical exertion of doing Denali in two weeks.

So long runs uphill. Though I have to say, I remember as a kid trying to run from my house up the goat trail on Sanitas without stopping, and I couldn't do it. This year I got into running on flat ground, and all of a sudden I could run to the top without stopping. Seems to me running on flat ground can be one component of trail running training, but ideally wouldn't be all of it.

I will say though, out of my uneducated opinion, that running often over long distances and ESPECIALLY ON HARD GROUND (which you didn't say, Nathan, you said trail) will burn muscle and will injure knees, shins.etc. Look at them stringy marathoners...

[Plugugly]

This is how “fitness influencers” make a living on Instagram gege

I would pay attention to Scott and Steve; they’re pretty anti-that and their combined resumes prove they’re not talking trash to push bs.

Who and Who? I appreciate you all! Just because I make sny comments as a troll doesn’t mean I personally appreciate the input on here. Idgaf tbh

DWE

[desertdog]

Here's what I do in a typical week...

Day1 Uphill Water Carry
Day 2 6 Mile Run
Day 3 Heavy Weight Training 1 hour plus
Day 4 Hike or Climb 6 plus hours
Day 5 Light Endurance Weight Training
Day 6 6 Mile Run
Day 7 rest or yoga

Check out www.uphillathlete.com, loads of training advice, plans, etc.

[ker0uac]

You might not be trying to do Denali in a day, but those guys who can do Denali in a day would have zero trouble with the physical exertion of doing Denali in two weeks.

That's not necessarily true. First, specialized training will make you elite in one type of pursuit and okay in others, while less specialized training will make you above average in all similar pursuits. Having said that, training for Alpine-style mountaineering and expedition style mountaineering are quite different. You can excel in one and fail in the other. I like to see my body as an off-road vehicle. In off-roading, you must sacrifice HP for torque and vice-versa.

I will say though, out of my uneducated opinion, that running often over long distances and ESPECIALLY ON HARD GROUND (which you didn't say, Nathan, you said trail) will burn muscle and will injure knees, shins.etc. Look at them stringy marathoners...

I agree with that. I stay away from high impact sports and exercises. Genetics also play a role here. Going uphill engages your calves, better protecting your knees. But if you must/want to run on flat & hard ground, strong abs, glutes and quads are needed to reduce weight on your lower joints. Using my car analogy, you want to invest in great shocks and springs.

[Plugugly]

Here's what I do in a typical week...

Day1 Uphill Water Carry
Day 2 6 Mile Run
Day 3 Heavy Weight Training 1 hour plus
Day 4 Hike or Climb 6 plus hours
Day 5 Light Endurance Weight Training
Day 6 6 Mile Run
Day 7 rest or yoga

Check out www.uphillathlete.com, loads of training advice, plans, etc.

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[Dave B]

Idgaf tbh