How many finishers...really?

[greenonion]

I wonder what Sir Hillary and Mr Norgay would say about Mr Mallory’s and Mr Irvine’s Everest attempt. And I wonder what they all think of that Sir business. Shame they all four can’t be part of this thread

[Matt]

I don't see why physically touching the summit is creating any controversy. Sure, hike your own hike, but maybe "your hike" wasn't a summit hike and that is fine.

Because that’s just the way this forum is. Because everything has to turn into an argument.

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My take? Touch the top. Tell the Truth.
Either you summited or you just visited the mountain.

I remember our group of four being among less than 10 people at the top of Disappointment Cleaver who actually trekked the few hundred yards over to the actual summit. It's not far. Most people just high-fived from a lower point celebrating their ostensible summit of Rainier. Bully for them. Everyone was stoked up there.
While that may be a PNW convention, the rest of those people would be fudging the truth if they claim a summit, IMO, but reality is often based in consensus, not truth.
It takes almost no effort to reach up and touch the top of Sunlight.

[Eli Boardman]

I remember our group of four being among less than 10 people at the top of Disappointment Cleaver who actually trekked the few hundred yards over to the actual summit. It's not far. Most people just high-fived from a lower point celebrating their ostensible summit of Rainier.

In other news, did you hear that the summit of Rainier is no longer Columbia Crest? Depending on the exact timing of the ice melt (and whether it got faster in recent years), Eric Gilbertson thinks that the true Rainier summit moved to the SW rim as early as ~2014. I'm still tentatively counting my 2019 ascent, since it was in July, when the snow cap could have conceivable been taller due to seasonal accumulation. Nevertheless, I want to go back and definitely visit the SW rim this time (and I need to climb it again anyway because I summited in the dark and couldn't see anything).

https://www.countryhighpoints.com/mt-ra ... on-survey/

[astranko]

Very few people setting rules for others have a Summit to Post Ratio (SPR) of above 1.0

Hats off to Boggy B for managing to crush that metric with being the only one that I can find with:

More than 1000 posts
More than 1000 self-reported summits
SPR above 1.0

Anyone want to audit him to make sure he is following your particular rule-set? Maybe we can get him below 1.0. Level the playing field a bit for everyone.

[Veory]

Very few people setting rules for others have a Summit to Post Ratio (SPR) of above 1.0

What do I win?

Seems like this is making fun of people who use the site a lot, which seems just as not cool as diminishing someone's accomplishments to me...

[Istoodupthere]

If you did 54, why wouldn’t you do 58? Do you like to climb or not?

[cedica]

I also don't know why people are so afraid to admit that they didn't reach the summit of a peak (any peak).

It's just one of normal bodily functions, like pooping or sweating.
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[seannunn]

Very few people setting rules for others have a Summit to Post Ratio (SPR) of above 1.0

Hats off to Boggy B for managing to crush that metric with being the only one that I can find with:

More than 1000 posts
More than 1000 self-reported summits
SPR above 1.0

Anyone want to audit him to make sure he is following your particular rule-set? Maybe we can get him below 1.0. Level the playing field a bit for everyone.

Gerry Roach:
About one billion summits
About 10 posts.
And yes, he does have some rules in his books.

Sean Nunn
Peculiar, MO

[Scott P]

Gerry Roach:
About one billion summits
About 10 posts.
And yes, he does have some rules in his books.

Sean Nunn
Peculiar, MO

For anyone curious, according to him he has about 4876 peaks in 38 countries plus Antarctica. In his books, he does have the rule of reaching the summit before claiming a peak climbed, calling it a "necessary rule". Personally I refer it to an accepted practice rather than a rule. Still, it's probably not worth making enemies over and is rather trivial in the long run.

[justiner]

Just Roach's summit ticks (and style) in Alaska are extremely impressive. Dude's legit.

[jrbren_vt]

I remember our group of four being among less than 10 people at the top of Disappointment Cleaver who actually trekked the few hundred yards over to the actual summit. It's not far. Most people just high-fived from a lower point celebrating their ostensible summit of Rainier.

In other news, did you hear that the summit of Rainier is no longer Columbia Crest? Depending on the exact timing of the ice melt (and whether it got faster in recent years), Eric Gilbertson thinks that the true Rainier summit moved to the SW rim as early as ~2014. I'm still tentatively counting my 2019 ascent, since it was in July, when the snow cap could have conceivable been taller due to seasonal accumulation. Nevertheless, I want to go back and definitely visit the SW rim this time (and I need to climb it again anyway because I summited in the dark and couldn't see anything).

https://www.countryhighpoints.com/mt-ra ... on-survey/

When I was there my group stopped at the first point of the crater rim, we were inside a lenticular cloud above 13K' or so, visibility was about 10'. 30+mph winds and the inside of a ping pong ball looks the same from any point on the cleaver. I had no objections to turning back.

[seannunn]

Gerry Roach:
About one billion summits
About 10 posts.
And yes, he does have some rules in his books.

Sean Nunn
Peculiar, MO

For anyone curious, according to him he has about 4876 peaks in 38 countries plus Antarctica. In his books, he does have the rule of reaching the summit before claiming a peak climbed, calling it a "necessary rule". Personally I refer it to an accepted practice rather than a rule. Still, it's probably not worth making enemies over and is rather trivial in the long run.

I agree completely. As such I will admit that I slightly overestimated Gerry Roach's number of summits.

Sean Nunn