East Crestone Second dGPS Survey

[supranihilest]

You prob didn't stand on the highest point of a lot of 14ers, never mind Crestone, east or west.

Logically, given this sick burn, it follows that East Crestone actually lower! Got 'emmmmmmm!

[Veory]

They had it right back in the day. They had to call one the summit so they chose the West side of the mountain.

Negative. "Back in the day," mountaineering and surveying were integral skillsets. They cared then which was truly higher as much as we do now, they just didn't have the tech or disposable time. No one's asking you to turn in your finisher medallion. Most who care about having actually stood on the highest point will have already visited both. If I hadn't yet, I'd want to know which is the true summit. Think of the children!

You prob didn't stand on the highest point of a lot of 14ers, never mind Crestone, east or west. . I climbed East Crestone and good chance I never stood higher than I did on the west side. also did the traverse. ::shrugs::

This has all been entertaining though

I can personally say I've placed my foot on the highest natural point and/or an artifically higher point made of rock on every single 14er I've claimed here. Just sayin

[bdloftin77]

Negative. "Back in the day," mountaineering and surveying were integral skillsets. They cared then which was truly higher as much as we do now, they just didn't have the tech or disposable time. No one's asking you to turn in your finisher medallion. Most who care about having actually stood on the highest point will have already visited both. If I hadn't yet, I'd want to know which is the true summit. Think of the children!

You prob didn't stand on the highest point of a lot of 14ers, never mind Crestone, east or west. . I climbed East Crestone and good chance I never stood higher than I did on the west side. also did the traverse. ::shrugs::

This has all been entertaining though

I can personally say I've placed my foot on the highest natural point and/or an artifically higher point made of rock on every single 14er I've claimed here. Just sayin

I was gonna say, good thing you didn't challenge Veory with this!

[KentonB]

I can personally say I've placed my foot on the highest natural point and/or an artifically higher point made of rock on every single 14er I've claimed here. Just sayin

You're not the only one! It took me a really really long time to ensure I summited Bross.

[Boggy B]

You prob didn't stand on the highest point of a lot of 14ers, never mind Crestone, east or west. . I climbed East Crestone and good chance I never stood higher than I did on the west side. also did the traverse. ::shrugs::

This has all been entertaining though

In reality the exact highest point of most peaks is fairly obvious.

But on the rest I lie down and roll around on every possible highpoint to make sure some part of my body touches the highest rock.

[Chicago Transplant]

So there are actually people climbing both summits just to knock rocks of one of them so they don't have to climb it?

Even if West is higher than East, East is still the Custer county highpoint. Many people climbed it (myself included) for that purpose anyway and will continue to do so regardless of which is slightly higher than the other.

I'm sure many people don't stand on the highest individual rock on a given summit, but often that is just because there are too many people on a 14er to feel the need to push them out of the way to do so.

[seannunn]

So there are actually people climbing both summits just to knock rocks of one of them so they don't have to climb it?

Even if West is higher than East, East is still the Custer county highpoint. Many people climbed it (myself included) for that purpose anyway and will continue to do so regardless of which is slightly higher than the other.

I'm sure many people don't stand on the highest individual rock on a given summit, but often that is just because there are too many people on a 14er to feel the need to push them out of the way to do so.

My thoughts exactly. Since neither summit is meaningfully higher than the other, and neither is more difficult to climb than the other, it seems to me that any person who has climbed either one has summitted "Crestone Peak".
Besides, honestly, who is to say that someday an even more accurate method of determining elevation won't reveal that West Crestone is once again the higher subsummit?

Oh, wait, I see what you did there. Sorry, I am a little oblivious at times.
My statement stands though. If you climbed either one, then you climbed Crestone Peak.

Sean Nunn
Peculiar, MO

[CheapCigarMan]

So there are actually people climbing both summits just to knock rocks of one of them so they don't have to climb it?

Even if West is higher than East, East is still the Custer county highpoint. Many people climbed it (myself included) for that purpose anyway and will continue to do so regardless of which is slightly higher than the other.

I'm sure many people don't stand on the highest individual rock on a given summit, but often that is just because there are too many people on a 14er to feel the need to push them out of the way to do so.

This is getting confusing. I believe when you reference West, you're actually meaning Crestone Peak.
There is a "West Crestone," Crestone, "East Crestone," and "Northeast Crestone."

Let's not confuse "West Crestone" for Crestone Peak.

[supranihilest]

There is a "West Crestone,"

No. There isn't. You brought it up earlier in this thread but you can simply delete that from you memory. There is no such thing as "West Crestone". When people refer to the west summit they mean Crestone Peak.

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[two lunches]

When people refer to the west summit they mean Crestone Peak.

[Veory]

So there are actually people climbing both summits just to knock rocks of one of them so they don't have to climb it?

Even if West is higher than East, East is still the Custer county highpoint. Many people climbed it (myself included) for that purpose anyway and will continue to do so regardless of which is slightly higher than the other.

I'm sure many people don't stand on the highest individual rock on a given summit, but often that is just because there are too many people on a 14er to feel the need to push them out of the way to do so.

This is getting confusing. I believe when you reference West, you're actually meaning Crestone Peak.
There is a "West Crestone," Crestone, "East Crestone," and "Northeast Crestone."

Let's not confuse "West Crestone" for Crestone Peak.

We can call this "Wester Crestone". Maybe "Westone Peak"?

[CheapCigarMan]

There is a "West Crestone,"

No. There isn't. You brought it up earlier in this thread but you can simply delete that from you memory. There is no such thing as "West Crestone". When people refer to the west summit they mean Crestone Peak.
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Why is it not considered a sub peak?

Technically it is, but I think it just doesn’t have an unofficial name because Roach didn’t give it one?

If someone’s an author, names it in a guidebook, and submits it to LoJ, it’ll show up there haha. I know Stewart added some peaks to LoJ.

When I brought it up I didn't get a definitive answer. One said, "No." The other said, "Technically, yes."

Looking at the maps. There are four bumps over 14k. All similar bumps in nature. Why are three of the bumps considered to be summits and sub summits and the other one isn't? Because Roach or an author didn't name it? Is the peak and naming science and process that arbitrary?

Maybe it's to do with it's prominence to its neighbors? That the saddle between it and its neighbors is only a few feet as opposed to the other three are closer to 200'?
This would be a satisfactory answer, not because an author didn't name it or just delete it or there's no such thing.
However, it looks like it's around 60' and the other two around 90' and 40'. Doesn't look like, because of prominence would be a good answer then.
So, my question still remains.

We can call this "Wester Crestone". Maybe "Westone Peak"?

I vote "Westone Crestone" Lol