stuck truck on Mt. Cameron

[wildlobo71]

My question is:

Does anyone ACTUALLY know if he is in violation of any law???

Abandoning a vehicle on public roadways is illegal, although in most jurisdictions it's "abandoned" only after 30 days of sitting there. Since this is obstructing the public road, that may be entirely different. If he had pulled off the trail/road, he could have been ticketed for driving off-road and damaging public lands.

I don't know, I'm just throwing it out there.

[mountaingoat-G]

I remember back I think in the 90's that there was a group of 4-wheelers from Texas that were in the mountains north of Silverton (perhaps Cinnamon Pass ???). They drove off-road across the tundra for quite a ways and eventually got stuck. I can't remember how the jeep was removed, but there was a huge uproar in Durango. I think this was in the Durango Herald. Just wondering if any one else remebers this story and has more details.....

[upndown]

I remember back I think in the 90's that there was a group of 4-wheelers from Texas that were in the mountains north of Silverton (perhaps Cinnamon Pass ???). They drove off-road across the tundra for quite a ways and eventually got stuck. I can't remember how the jeep was removed, but there was a huge uproar in Durango. I think this was in the Durango Herald. Just wondering if any one else remebers this story and has more details.....

I read about that one too. It took two hummers, block and tackle, several hundred yards of cable to get it out. They had to appeal to the BLM to let them get it out because the BLM was going to take it out in pieces to keep from damaging the tundra even more. Total cost to get it out, including fines, far exceeded the cost of the vehicle. But, that was a totally different situation. They ignored very clearly marked signs to keep off the tundra. Ignore "Keep Out" signs, you deserve what you get. Write your name (and email address) on a rock with a Sharpie, I don't even want to hear your side of the story. This guy got stuck. For all I know, he's already been up there and righted his mistake.

[catbus-x]

Like Everest, it claim the live of that truck, so is already dead.

[covfrrider]

The expectation of civil and mature behavior from internet users has been dead and buried since the early 1990s.

What the hell are you talking about? Everyone knows Al Gore invented the Internet in 1969.

[mattpayne11]

The expectation of civil and mature behavior from internet users has been dead and buried since the early 1990s.

What the hell are you talking about? Everyone knows Al Gore invented the Internet in 1969.

Going waaaayyy off-topic here...

Actually...

Is it true that Gore "took the initiative in creating the Internet?" Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf, who invented the TCP/IP protocol that is at the core of all Internet communication, certainly think so:

"As the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time."

Among other things, Kahn and Cerf were referring to the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991, originated by then-Senator Gore, which provided funding and resources for the growth of the Internet.

To summarize: no, Al Gore did not invent the Internet. I reserve that term for the people who figure out how a thing should work, at a practical, nuts-and-bolts technological level. But Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet. He did claim to have played a role in creating the Internet as we know it - which is quite true.

[covfrrider]

I guess I played a role too... since in 1994 I set up a uucp connection to transfer my companies email. Pretty thin, but hey so is algor's role...

[Steve Climber]

If he is violation of any law, then he should be dealt with as the law requires BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, not by self-righteous a**holes that have nothing better to do than make fun of others' misfortune.

Misfortune? Misfortune!?! Truck Dude is hardly a victim of misfortune. He chose to go up there. We're making fun of someone else's horrible decision-making in the face of irrefutable empirical evidence that said decision was unwise. Otherwise, why don't you tell us why it was good idea for him to go up there?

The line people draw between stupidity and misfortune usually gets pretty blurred by the activity in question. Is anyone making fun of the dead pilot that was recovered on Mt. Wilson??? Tell me he didn't make a few poor decisions to end up crashed. Someone who is calls in SAR because of injury due to a poor decision or lack of attention in placing a foot on loose terrain isn't made fun of here...they all require bad decisions, the same types of mistakes in judgement, and yes- a bit of misfortune- but because THIS guy happened to be a) in a truck and b) on a 14er, he gets drilled for being an idiot.

Double standards are what the internet is based on though...esp. if Gore invented it.

All that would take is a truck with someone who could "actually drive" to get up past him, turn around, throw a winch cable on him and drag his ass out of there...then drive his truck down for him so that there is no repeat. I have been stuck and help to unstick in 10x the difficulty of that.

Are you serious?!?!?!? Remind me not to go 4-wheeling with you! I don't think you realize how unstable that scree really is, and what would happen to another truck (with or without someone who could "actually drive") that tried to winch him out of there while sitting on a similar foundation.

The last time this happened (no, it isn't the first), it took a set of anchors driven down to solid ground, a block and tackle system, and more work than I can even imagine to get the vehicle out of there. I just wish I could find the picture that was in the news..........

Take 2 trucks, daisy chained with a strap, hook a cable to his frame and drag him uphill. Loose scree or not, it's a straight forward recovery without too many issues to compound it.

oh, and don't go 4 wheeling with me.

[covfrrider]

I guess I played a role too... since in 1994 I set up a uucp connection to transfer my companies email. Pretty thin, but hey so is algor's role...

Original email from Vinton Cerf concerning Al Gore...

http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Arch ... 00311.html

Funny they didn't mention your role in the UUCP connection.

Yeah it was top secret project at an undisclosed location to monitor email traffic between Doctors and AADD patients.... I'd tell you more about it, but you probably weren't able to read this far into the post...

[covfrrider]

You mean AHDD there Doctor Brian ?

Nope... back then we called it AADD. I thought you'd be familiar with it...

http://healthcalls.com/

I'm not a doctor, but I did sleep a Holiday Inn Express once.

[mtman]

All that would take is a truck with someone who could "actually drive" to get up past him, turn around, throw a winch cable on him and drag his ass out of there...then drive his truck down for him so that there is no repeat. I have been stuck and help to unstick in 10x the difficulty of that.

Are you serious?!?!?!? Remind me not to go 4-wheeling with you! I don't think you realize how unstable that scree really is, and what would happen to another truck (with or without someone who could "actually drive") that tried to winch him out of there while sitting on a similar foundation.

The last time this happened (no, it isn't the first), it took a set of anchors driven down to solid ground, a block and tackle system, and more work than I can even imagine to get the vehicle out of there. I just wish I could find the picture that was in the news..........

Take 2 trucks, daisy chained with a strap, hook a cable to his frame and drag him uphill. Loose scree or not, it's a straight forward recovery without too many issues to compound it.

oh, and don't go 4 wheeling with me.

So now you're changing your mind? I thought it was a pickup with a winch, now it's two trucks daisy-chained together .............. I think the point I was trying to make is this is going to be a more difficult recovery than it initially appears, even for those of us who have gotten out of situations 10X this bad.

[whoch]

I might have tried this in a company truck, but not my own.