Petition to rename Kit Carson

[gb]

Too bad none of you who post here feel our pain with the mountain being called by the wrong name for 100 plus years, and clearly, none of you understand the long running confusion caused by this problem. Like I already said, it's Crestone up against the entire world once again.

Easy there, I tried to state your town's case on page 3. Not that anyone really listened. Good luck changing the name!

[Jim Davies]

How about if we trade? You rename the peaks, and we get access to the Cottonwood and Spanish Creek trails.

[bonehead]

You decide

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[Corndiggs]

How about if we trade? You rename the peaks, and we get access to the Cottonwood and Spanish Creek trails.

+1 Brilliant!!!

[RobertPetrowsky]

That article was disturbing to say the least. I don't know how any baptist church outside of there would feel about beind called a "spiritual center". The magnetic fields of the earth converge there to make more energy? This makes me wish they would close the rest of the trails through town and bulldoze the road in. I would rather hike over the mountains from the east than listen to that garbage.

[Ned-man]

Too bad none of you who post here feel our pain with the mountain being called by the wrong name for 100 plus years, and clearly, none of you understand the long running confusion caused by this problem.

We acknowledge the historical claim that goes back to the original United States government surveys in Colorado. But there’s no pretending the names were firmly established yet. Names were still being made up. The only people confused are a few old timers in Crestone. As interesting as the historical stories are, they are not sufficient reason to now confuse everybody else.

Just read their website...... I'm surprised there is any confusion with all that insight, wisdom and such.

[dude4mountains]

How about if we trade? You rename the peaks, and we get access to the Cottonwood and Spanish Creek trails.

+1 Brilliant!!!

Now that I would consider!

[scottrappold]

The Colorado Springs Gazette has a story on the proposed renaming:


BY R. SCOTT RAPPOLD

THE GAZETTE

CRESTONE• Kit Carson was an explorer, mountain man, Civil War hero and pacifier of the Navajo. His name graces a Colorado county and town, a river, national forest, two mountains and a military base – Fort Carson.

One San Luis Valley town says it no longer wants his name on their mountain.

Residents of the hamlet of Crestone, known for attracting New-Age types and followers of eastern religion, have petitioned the federal government to re-name 14,165-foot Kit Carson Mountain in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains as “Mount Crestone.” The town and Saguache County governments support it, as a way to correct what locals see as a long-ago mis-naming of the peak that looms over Crestone.

The proposal has spurred a debate over how far a community can go to rename a public feature that belongs to everyone. Many mountaineers who climb the state’s 54 fourteeners, peaks above 14,000 feet, are opposed to the change, as is the U.S. Forest Service, which manages the area.

It has also turned into a debate about Kit Carson himself.

Read the whole story here: http://www.outtherecolorado.com/blogs/r ... ebate.html

[River]

You can't "rename" it Crestone - that's its name. Ask the LEOs, EMTs, firefighters, people who maintain the trails, and help hikers and climbers in need (which includes me). You could correct the maps, I suppose. Now there's a novel idea.

This is a thinly-veiled, baited referendum on the people who live around Crestone. We're not all the same, but knowing what the "outdoorsmen" of Colorado think of us might affect our inclination towards hospitality.

All is not as it appears to the pre-conditioned short-term visitor. We have our share of Fox News watchers, Glenn Beck supporters, ditch-diggers, mountain climbers, and atheists. They all call it "Crestone", 'cause that's what it looks like - and that's its name.

[Fred_Bauder]

You can't "rename" it Crestone - that's its name. Ask the LEOs, EMTs, firefighters, people who maintain the trails, and help hikers and climbers in need (which includes me). You could correct the maps, I suppose. Now there's a novel idea.

This is a thinly-veiled, baited referendum on the people who live around Crestone. We're not all the same, but knowing what the "outdoorsmen" of Colorado think of us might affect our inclination towards hospitality.

All is not as it appears to the pre-conditioned short-term visitor. We have our share of Fox News watchers, Glenn Beck supporters, ditch-diggers, mountain climbers, and atheists. They all call it "Crestone", 'cause that's what it looks like - and that's its name.

It turns out that "don't ask, don't listen" is not that good a debating tactic. The discussion has been overheated and exaggerated. Godwin's law, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... in%27s_law" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; has once again been confirmed.

[ClimbandMine]

You can't "rename" it Crestone - that's its name. Ask the LEOs, EMTs, firefighters, people who maintain the trails, and help hikers and climbers in need (which includes me). You could correct the maps, I suppose. Now there's a novel idea.

This is a thinly-veiled, baited referendum on the people who live around Crestone. We're not all the same, but knowing what the "outdoorsmen" of Colorado think of us might affect our inclination towards hospitality.

All is not as it appears to the pre-conditioned short-term visitor. We have our share of Fox News watchers, Glenn Beck supporters, ditch-diggers, mountain climbers, and atheists. They all call it "Crestone", 'cause that's what it looks like - and that's its name.

So, question - what did the Ute and Comanche Indians call the peak before *you* took the area from them? If we are going to rename s*** back to the "original" names, lets go back to the original names.

[susanjoypaul]

Too bad none of you who post here feel our pain with the mountain being called by the wrong name for 100 plus years, and clearly, none of you understand the long running confusion caused by this problem. Like I already said, it's Crestone up against the entire world once again.

This is a thinly-veiled, baited referendum on the people who live around Crestone.

You two sure have an inflated view of your little hamlet. Guess what? People have lives. They have no time for, or interest in, concocting a "referendum on the people of Crestone." Seriously... 99.99% of "the entire world" (that you are apparently "up against") has never even heard of Crestone - indeed, most can't even find the state of Colorado on a map. Of the other .01% - well, the only reason we know you exist is because you have our mountain, Colorado 14er "Kit Carson," in your back yard. That's pretty much where the interest in your town begins, and ends. So no, there's no conspiracy. Get over yourselves.

We're not all the same, but knowing what the "outdoorsmen" of Colorado think of us might affect our inclination towards hospitality.

I don't know about all the other "outdoorsmen" on this site, but this statement sure has *me* shakin' in my boots! Really, a decreased inclination towards hospitality? The last time I stayed in Crestone I knocked on the door of every single motel in town - and they *all* had vacancy signs - and couldn't even get anyone to answer the door. So I did what I always do when I visit Kit Carson (that's that big peak in your back yard, the one that's been revered, climbed, and known as "Kit Carson" by hundreds of thousands of mountaineers for decades): I found a nice camping spot, made my own dinner, and slept outside under the stars. Didn't even look for a restaurant on the way out of town the next day... why bother? A more truthful statement might be: "Knowing what *the people of Crestone think of the people who visit their town* might affect *our* inclination toward spending a dime in your very inhospitable village."

Really, you guys are your own worst enemies in this cause. Every time you open your mouths gibberish falls out.