Fenn's treasure

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tlongpine wrote:Fenn confirms that the treasure has not been recovered. So, it's hidden someplace that an octogenarian can get to.
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OK, I think I've got this figured out. Now I just need to spend a little time there...
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Reminds me of this classic...

https://youtu.be/nda_OSWeyn8

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Grand Junction pastor dies in NM while searching for Fenn's treasure.

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/20/co ... sure-hunt/
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And so this is how it ends. The family of the deceased sues Fenn for reckless conduct, and the case is especially strong if this was all a hoax. To prove it is not a hoax, Fenn needs to disclose the location of his treasure. And even then, he created something that cost people their lives.
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DArcyS wrote:And so this is how it ends. The family of the deceased sues Fenn for reckless conduct, and the case is especially strong if this was all a hoax. To prove it is not a hoax, Fenn needs to disclose the location of his treasure. And even then, he created something that cost people their lives.

I think it's true...sadly. If Fenn doesn't pull the treasure then there will likely be additional burden on SARS personnel and maybe continued loss of life. I personally believe there is a treasure cache and it's not a hoax, but I also feel like Forrest Fenn, who has a noble intention, has to be concerned about the collateral damage of this project. When you enter the wilderness, you normally do it with a focused, zen-like mentality. You have a goal and a plan for achieving it. You have a start point and an end point, but when you introduce a distraction, you are looking off the trail; you're looking for a marker or a blaze or a sign of some kind. You're crossing a river you know nothing about. The focus is spuratic. Plus the process attracts people who may not be prepared. There is something known on the PCT as the WILD effect.. people who saw the movie or read the book by Cheryl Strayed feel like this is their salvation, even though they may have never stepped into the woods before. The really sad thing is that we should ALL be able to experience the wilderness safely. We ALL should be able to get out there and eventually find Fenn's Treasure, but we ALL can't.. because not all of us are properly prepared to do it. You have to realize the grandeur of the wilderness. The size and depth. The danger. It's not for everybody but it should be..
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Sounds like chalk creek and browns canyon
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To insinuate that Fenn is responsible for the deaths of others is a ridiculous conclusion.
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Wish I lived in CO wrote:To insinuate that Fenn is responsible for the deaths of others is a ridiculous conclusion.
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Wish I lived in CO wrote:To insinuate that Fenn is responsible for the deaths of others is a ridiculous conclusion.
Well, you might find it interesting to learn that there's but-for causation and proximate causation. Two different ways of viewing the cause of an event. Under the but-for test, Fenn is absolutely responsible for the deaths. Now, could have the deceased taken steps to be more responsible for their own safety? Certainly.
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Hmm...I respectfully disagree, D'Arcy. If we look at this as a wrongful death issue, i.e. a legal tort, the issue isn't causation but rather whether a legal duty exists. An issue of law versus fact. IMO Mr. Fenn does not owe a legal duty to those who seek his treasure. Think of it this way, using a climbing analogy: I say Peak X is the coolest climb in the world, ya gotta climb it, and I just climbed it via the south ridge. I provide no other details. Joe Couch Potato goes after the south ridge and falls to his death. I have dangled a prize (a coveted summit) to the public, and told them where to go find the prize. But I have no idea if anyone will seek the prize, and I don't tell them specifically how to go about getting the prize. Can I be sued? I think not.

Not to mention the obvious equitable defense: Assumption of the risk. Fenn has said only the treasure is somewhere in the Rocky Mountains. He hasn't said exactly where (duh...), so people decide on the state, the specific locale, and the means and methods to reach that locale. Cross a river? Your choice, but understand that crossing wild rivers is risky and death may follow.

People can obviously pick the adventure they choose, and unless a legal duty is owed (e.g. a guiding service, a summer camp for kids, etc.) liability should not follow even though risk is there and death possible.

Just my opinions, of course.

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tlongpine wrote:Fenn confirms that the treasure has not been recovered. So, it's hidden someplace that an octogenarian can get to.

My plan is to put a GPS tracker on Fenn's car. Then post a story about how I found his treasure. Then wait for him to go out and confirm the treasure is gone. :twisted:
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