Colorado Wolves Reintroduction

[supranihilest]

What a world we currently live in. People have their beliefs and any other opinion that is even slightly different is laughed off or sarcasm is used to belittle the opposing person. Classy stuff

Not all opinions deserve to be taken seriously or debated seriously. When the response to "exactly two people have been killed by wolves in North America since 2005, and here's a research paper and quotations from the research paper to prove it" is a Gish gallop of unrelated COVID conspiracy theories and accusations of hivemind behavior then the latter does not deserve to be taken seriously or debated seriously. Someone's opinion can be that they are afraid of wolves, even if that fear is irrational. I'll admit I'm leery of running into wolves myself, but also bears which I've encountered several times, coyotes which I've encountered several times, and mountain lions which I haven't encountered yet but several friends have. I will also admit that fear is irrational based on the actual numbers of attacks from those animals, which all have similar or higher rates of human attacks than wolves and yet nobody's panicking about those. I know the chance of being attacked is low but not zero. It's the panic about "When the wolves start tearing up our kids" (perhaps Poe's law applies to this one) and fear mongering about being disemboweled and showing pictures of dead cows, which is a separate debate from wolf attacks on humans, as if that's what wolves will start doing to humans willy-nilly that is, again, irrational. Carry a gun, carry bear spray, I don't care - I carry and my friends do too - but don't act like the danger is extreme and imminent while simultaneously dismissing research that says it's not and launching into conspiracy theories on a totally unrelated subject.

[SkaredShtles]

What a world we currently live in. People have their beliefs and any other opinion that is even slightly different is laughed off or sarcasm is used to belittle the opposing person. Classy stuff

Not all opinions deserve to be taken seriously or debated seriously. When the response to "exactly two people have been killed by wolves in North America since 2005, and here's a research paper and quotations from the research paper to prove it" is a Gish gallop of unrelated COVID conspiracy theories and accusations of hivemind behavior then the latter does not deserve to be taken seriously or debated seriously. Someone's opinion can be that they are afraid of wolves, even if that fear is irrational. I'll admit I'm leery of running into wolves myself, but also bears which I've encountered several times, coyotes which I've encountered several times, and mountain lions which I haven't encountered yet but several friends have. I will also admit that fear is irrational based on the actual numbers of attacks from those animals, which all have similar or higher rates of human attacks than wolves and yet nobody's panicking about those. I know the chance of being attacked is low but not zero. It's the panic about "When the wolves start tearing up our kids" (perhaps Poe's law applies to this one) and fear mongering about being disemboweled and showing pictures of dead cows, which is a separate debate from wolf attacks on humans, as if that's what wolves will start doing to humans willy-nilly that is, again, irrational. Carry a gun, carry bear spray, I don't care - I do and my friends do too - but don't act like the danger is extreme and imminent while simultaneously dismissing research that says it's not and launching into conspiracy theories on a totally unrelated subject.

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[Wentzl]

Just a little snippet for a historical perspective from the "good ole days":

https://www.mcdonoughvoice.com/story/op ... 162717007/

[Ptglhs]

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[Jim Davies]

Just a little snippet for a historical perspective from the "good ole days":

https://www.mcdonoughvoice.com/story/op ... 162717007/

I used to live in central Illinois, and got bitten by a dog once when I was biking. I should have written it up for posterity.

[Monte Meals]

^ How much did that dog bite hurt ?

Any guess how much pain a calf must feel while being disemboweled?

[SkaredShtles]

Won't someone think of the baby cows??

[Monte Meals]

^ I had no idea that there was such a sadomasochistic group on this web site.

[supranihilest]

^ I had no idea that there was such a sadomasochistic group on this web site.

Um, that's mountain climbing in a nutshell, my friend. Anyway, someone should post a slaughterhouse video to go along with the pics of disemboweled cows.

[mtnkub]

There is definitely some irony to discussing the risks of wolves on a forum about inherently risky activities. Surely wolves aren't the thing tipping the risk scale.

Humans are notoriously bad at estimating risks. The same people who support wolf reintroduction were the exact same people who cried wolf about Covid, wore masks outdoors for years and took 2-3 experimental "safe and effective" shots, while vilifying the rest of us who didn't. Nobody ever admitted anything wrong with their approach or apologized. Same herd mentality is at play here, and they still believe turning up the screaming volume would do the trick here?

I voted against wolf introduction. Yet the count seems to be wolfs 2 : Covid >1,000,000 Americans.
And yes, i wore masks outdoors; when nothing was clear yet, not for years.

(Well, I did wear masks outdoors in Quito in early 2022. Because everyone else did and we wanted to blend in. So silly, the Quitoans! Well, i guess they literally had dead bodies lying in the streets in their early COVID days. Guess kinda like Italy and New York. Guess that kinda sticks with you. Just my assumption).

[Monte Meals]

^ "Anyway, someone should post a slaughterhouse video to go along with the pics of disemboweled cows."

Oh, you sweet summer child - You have NO idea of how domestic livestock are slaughtered.

Are you by chance a non ovo lacto vegetarian ?

[supranihilest]

^ "Anyway, someone should post a slaughterhouse video to go along with the pics of disemboweled cows."

Oh, you sweet summer child - You have NO idea of how domestic livestock are slaughtered.

Are you by chance a non ovo lacto vegetarian ?

Did you know the button that looks like double quotes (") in fact quotes a post? Pretty cool stuff.

Anyway, read my most recent trip report for the answer you seek.