Mount Lindsey Closure

[Chrisfish25]

My dad wants to know… what happens if you ignore the trail closed or trespassing signs on Lindsey and just climb to the top? He is 60 and only has 10 left to do in the entire state and he wants to do Lindsey while he’s there and able. He doesn’t care if he has to pay a fine or get a ticket... but he was curious if anyone knew what might happen if he goes ahead and just hikes to the top?? He’d have other hikers with him.
Thanks!

Just do it as an fkt and you'll be fine.

I still find it funny that you bring this up. I think maybe 2 “FKT’ers” have climbed Lindsey this year compared to very probable 200+ regular people that have climbed it. You do realize it gets climbed all of the time by random people, right?

[Briere]

I still find it funny that you bring this up. I think maybe 2 “FKT’ers” have climbed Lindsey this year compared to very probable 200+ regular people that have climbed it. You do realize it gets climbed all of the time by random people, right?

Additionally, A2 specifically stated they got permission from land owners too. Those 200+ people likely never even reached out to the land owners.

[CaptainSuburbia]

My dad wants to know… what happens if you ignore the trail closed or trespassing signs on Lindsey and just climb to the top? He is 60 and only has 10 left to do in the entire state and he wants to do Lindsey while he’s there and able. He doesn’t care if he has to pay a fine or get a ticket... but he was curious if anyone knew what might happen if he goes ahead and just hikes to the top?? He’d have other hikers with him.
Thanks!

Just do it as an fkt and you'll be fine.

I still find it funny that you bring this up. I think maybe 2 “FKT’ers” have climbed Lindsey this year compared to very probable 200+ regular people that have climbed it. You do realize it gets climbed all of the time by random people, right?

Lol I'm not dumb. I know it gets climbed. Probably everyday at that. I mostly post it to entertain and make you laugh I find it funny though that this poor guy wants to finish the 14ers and gets shamed by the community. Meanwhile, others get cheered on.

[quinnwolf]

Would someone mind confirming or not that accessing Huerfano Peak and California Peak via the Lily Lake TH does not run afoul of private property/trespassing issues. Many thanks for the guidance. I'm planning a trip for this coming Friday - Sunday to snag these Centennials which would put me having only 10 left to finish them up.

I would highly recommend California up and down via the North ridge from Zapata TH. That was one of my favorite routes in Colorado. I did it on a Saturday morning last August and I didn't see anybody else the entire day.

[quinnwolf]

Seriously, please DON'T climb Lindsey until agreement has been reached with the owners to allow LEGAL access. Willfully trespassing now could negatively impact negotiations and affect thousands of future climbers.

I don't understand this. It's illegal to trespass period. You should never trespass anywhere anytime period. BUT, I don't understand why trespassing would affect negotiations and future climbers. Wouldn't people trespassing incentivize the landowners to get a system (waivers, law, whatever) to waive their liability of people on their property? My understanding is that they don't want to restrict the public from being on that part of their land, but what they want is to not be liable for the public on their land. The only long-term solution that the landowners want is to be absolved of their liability of the public accessing their land. Trespassing doesn't fully eliminate the landowners' negligence liability (although it does perhaps lessen it). My understanding is that the only problem is with a specific application of Colorado liability law, and landowners and hikers/public both exactly agree on wanting to change that. The fight is not between the landowners and the hiking public. So, I don't understand why more trespassing by the public would motivate the landowners to stop trying to come to the only long-term legal solution that actually solves their problem.
Please help me understand this because I am clearly missing something.
Again: It's illegal to trespass period. You should never trespass anywhere anytime period.

[greenonion]

My dad wants to know… what happens if you ignore the trail closed or trespassing signs on Lindsey and just climb to the top? He is 60 and only has 10 left to do in the entire state and he wants to do Lindsey while he’s there and able. He doesn’t care if he has to pay a fine or get a ticket... but he was curious if anyone knew what might happen if he goes ahead and just hikes to the top?? He’d have other hikers with him.
Thanks!

Just do it as an fkt and you'll be fine.

I still find it funny that you bring this up. I think maybe 2 “FKT’ers” have climbed Lindsey this year compared to very probable 200+ regular people that have climbed it. You do realize it gets climbed all of the time by random people, right?

Did you get permission from the owners on your FKT attempt? If so, then moot point. If not, then that’s the point

[quinnwolf]

Additionally, A2 specifically stated they got permission from land owners too. Those 200+ people likely never even reached out to the land owners.

Does anybody know how hard it is to get this permission? Does it cost money? Do you have to know the right people? Do you have to be doing an FKT or have another "good reason"? Do you have to be "famous" or need a referral? Do you have to demonstrate sufficient climbing experience? I was thinking about trying to get permission just for a "regular" hike, but I have no idea where to even start that process or if it is worth it. I'll probably just wait and see how it shakes out later this fall.

[Phill the Thrill]

Seriously, please DON'T climb Lindsey until agreement has been reached with the owners to allow LEGAL access. Willfully trespassing now could negatively impact negotiations and affect thousands of future climbers.

I don't understand this. It's illegal to trespass period. You should never trespass anywhere anytime period. BUT, I don't understand why trespassing would affect negotiations and future climbers. Wouldn't people trespassing incentivize the landowners to get a system (waivers, law, whatever) to waive their liability of people on their property? My understanding is that they don't want to restrict the public from being on that part of their land, but what they want is to not be liable for the public on their land. The only long-term solution that the landowners want is to be absolved of their liability of the public accessing their land. Trespassing doesn't fully eliminate the landowners' negligence liability (although it does perhaps lessen it). My understanding is that the only problem is with a specific application of Colorado liability law, and landowners and hikers/public both exactly agree on wanting to change that. The fight is not between the landowners and the hiking public. So, I don't understand why more trespassing by the public would motivate the landowners to stop trying to come to the only long-term legal solution that actually solves their problem.
Please help me understand this because I am clearly missing something.
Again: It's illegal to trespass period. You should never trespass anywhere anytime period.

Thanks for sharing.

[justiner]

I think Andrew (sorry if I'm paraphrasing!) just wrote in another thread that Andrea is a pita and doesn't quit when it comes to getting what she wants (said with love)

[greenonion]

Additionally, A2 specifically stated they got permission from land owners too. Those 200+ people likely never even reached out to the land owners.

Does anybody know how hard it is to get this permission? Does it cost money? Do you have to know the right people? Do you have to be doing an FKT or have another "good reason"? Do you have to be "famous" or need a referral? Do you have to demonstrate sufficient climbing experience? I was thinking about trying to get permission just for a "regular" hike, but I have no idea where to even start that process or if it is worth it. I'll probably just wait and see how it shakes out later this fall.

I’m guessing it has to do with the owners being ok “granting” and managing permission to a tiny number of FKTers vs managing a much bigger number of us regular hikers

[CaptainSuburbia]

Additionally, A2 specifically stated they got permission from land owners too. Those 200+ people likely never even reached out to the land owners.

Does anybody know how hard it is to get this permission? Does it cost money? Do you have to know the right people? Do you have to be doing an FKT or have another "good reason"? Do you have to be "famous" or need a referral? Do you have to demonstrate sufficient climbing experience? I was thinking about trying to get permission just for a "regular" hike, but I have no idea where to even start that process or if it is worth it. I'll probably just wait and see how it shakes out later this fall.

Pretty much all of the above. To my knowledge they don't give permission to regular hikers. A waiver system will likely be in place soon though.

[Briere]

Additionally, A2 specifically stated they got permission from land owners too. Those 200+ people likely never even reached out to the land owners.

Does anybody know how hard it is to get this permission? Does it cost money? Do you have to know the right people? Do you have to be doing an FKT or have another "good reason"? Do you have to be "famous" or need a referral? Do you have to demonstrate sufficient climbing experience? I was thinking about trying to get permission just for a "regular" hike, but I have no idea where to even start that process or if it is worth it. I'll probably just wait and see how it shakes out later this fall.

Pretty much all of the above. To my knowledge they don't give permission to regular hikers. A waiver system will likely be in place soon though.

Yes, hopefully it's in place this late summer/fall. With his dad having 10 left, hit up the other in the mean time. That's my plan with 13 left. It's looking like I wont have to wait until the end and waivers will be in place, hopefully, before the other 12 are completed.