How many finishers...really?

[onebyone]

If you did 54, why wouldn’t you do 58? Do you like to climb or not?

What's the story with this list? Shouldn't it be 52 peaks with 6 not having 300 feet of prominence? I must be missing some different definition

https://www.14ers.com/14ers

[madmattd]

If you did 54, why wouldn’t you do 58? Do you like to climb or not?

What's the story with this list? Shouldn't it be 52 peaks with 6 not having 300 feet of prominence? I must be missing some different definition

https://www.14ers.com/14ers

What's your 6th peak on the 58 without 300' of prominence? The status of all 58 were reviewed during the LiDAR work a year or so back - which is what bumped North Maroon from unranked to ranked, and demoted Challenger Point from ranked to unranked (as it traditionally was to begin with). After the LiDAR analysis, we still had 53 ranked 14ers in the list of 58.

Unranked peaks (due to prominence) on the list of 58, from the very link you posted:
Mt. Cameron Elevation 14,248', prominence 152'
El Diente Peak Elevation 14,175', prominence 264'
Challenger Point Elevation 14,086', prominence 264'
North Eolus Elevation 14,042', prominence 212'
Conundrum Peak Elevation 14,037', prominence 225'

[onebyone]

If you did 54, why wouldn’t you do 58? Do you like to climb or not?

What's the story with this list? Shouldn't it be 52 peaks with 6 not having 300 feet of prominence? I must be missing some different definition

https://www.14ers.com/14ers

What's your 6th peak on the 58 without 300' of prominence? The status of all 58 were reviewed during the LiDAR work a year or so back - which is what bumped North Maroon from unranked to ranked, and demoted Challenger Point from ranked to unranked (as it traditionally was to begin with). After the LiDAR analysis, we still had 53 ranked 14ers in the list of 58.

Unranked peaks (due to prominence) on the list of 58, from the very link you posted:
Mt. Cameron Elevation 14,248', prominence 152'
El Diente Peak Elevation 14,175', prominence 264'
Challenger Point Elevation 14,086', prominence 264'
North Eolus Elevation 14,042', prominence 212'
Conundrum Peak Elevation 14,037', prominence 225'

I always thought there wasn't 300 feet of prominence between South and North Maroon.I guess I was wrong.

[climbingcue]

I always thought there wasn't 300 feet of prominence between South and North Maroon.I guess I was wrong.

It changed with LiDAR, and that was pretty recently.

[madmattd]

What's the story with this list? Shouldn't it be 52 peaks with 6 not having 300 feet of prominence? I must be missing some different definition

https://www.14ers.com/14ers

What's your 6th peak on the 58 without 300' of prominence? The status of all 58 were reviewed during the LiDAR work a year or so back - which is what bumped North Maroon from unranked to ranked, and demoted Challenger Point from ranked to unranked (as it traditionally was to begin with). After the LiDAR analysis, we still had 53 ranked 14ers in the list of 58.

Unranked peaks (due to prominence) on the list of 58, from the very link you posted:
Mt. Cameron Elevation 14,248', prominence 152'
El Diente Peak Elevation 14,175', prominence 264'
Challenger Point Elevation 14,086', prominence 264'
North Eolus Elevation 14,042', prominence 212'
Conundrum Peak Elevation 14,037', prominence 225'

I always thought there wasn't 300 feet of prominence between South and North Maroon.I guess I was wrong.

Lists based on the maps had North Maroon as unranked, so you are not wrong - this is a recent change. LiDAR showed that there were several extra (erroneous) contours in the saddle between the Bells on the maps, which changed its prominence from the 234' the USGS maps showed to 329' (numbers from LOJ). Similarly Challenger Point was demoted as it was shown that the 301' that had been calculated off the maps was wrong. Thus one peak went from unranked to ranked (North Maroon), and one from ranked to unranked (Challenger Point).

[two lunches]

i was looking at a coffee mug i stole from work last night that has a list of 56 peaks and this thread came to mind.

any ideas why North Eolus and Conundrum were not on it, but everything else was? i am certainly familiar with the lists of 53 (the new 54), 58, and 73 (used to be 74) but this one was new

[d_baker]

a coffee mug i stole from work last night

[onebyone]

What's your 6th peak on the 58 without 300' of prominence? The status of all 58 were reviewed during the LiDAR work a year or so back - which is what bumped North Maroon from unranked to ranked, and demoted Challenger Point from ranked to unranked (as it traditionally was to begin with). After the LiDAR analysis, we still had 53 ranked 14ers in the list of 58.

Unranked peaks (due to prominence) on the list of 58, from the very link you posted:
Mt. Cameron Elevation 14,248', prominence 152'
El Diente Peak Elevation 14,175', prominence 264'
Challenger Point Elevation 14,086', prominence 264'
North Eolus Elevation 14,042', prominence 212'
Conundrum Peak Elevation 14,037', prominence 225'

I always thought there wasn't 300 feet of prominence between South and North Maroon.I guess I was wrong.

Lists based on the maps had North Maroon as unranked, so you are not wrong - this is a recent change. LiDAR showed that there were several extra (erroneous) contours in the saddle between the Bells on the maps, which changed its prominence from the 234' the USGS maps showed to 329' (numbers from LOJ). Similarly Challenger Point was demoted as it was shown that the 301' that had been calculated off the maps was wrong. Thus one peak went from unranked to ranked (North Maroon), and one from ranked to unranked (Challenger Point).

Thanks. That's a good trade imo. North Maroon always "felt" like a separate peak. So what is the new prominence between them now? I tried googling but just getting old info. Can't find it in this thread but maybe buried somewhere. https://www.14ers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62495

Def in agreement that North Eolus, Challenger, and Mt Cameron don't feel like separate peaks. They are on the way to climbing a 14er imo. El Diente and Challenger do feel like separate peaks- they are a separate destination. My 2 cents.

[Mtnman200]

Thanks. That's a good trade imo. North Maroon always "felt" like a separate peak. So what is the new prominence between them now? I tried googling but just getting old info. Can't find it in this thread but maybe buried somewhere. https://www.14ers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62495

LIDAR gave North Maroon an extra 8' of elevation and says the saddle with Maroon Peak was 87' lower than calculated by interpolating map contours. LIDAR shows North Maroon's summit as 329' above the Maroon - N. Maroon saddle (vs. 234' previously). For details, see https://www.listsofjohn.com/peak/63

[onebyone]

Thanks. That's a good trade imo. North Maroon always "felt" like a separate peak. So what is the new prominence between them now? I tried googling but just getting old info. Can't find it in this thread but maybe buried somewhere. https://www.14ers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62495

LIDAR gave North Maroon an extra 8' of elevation and says the saddle with Maroon Peak was 87' lower than calculated by interpolating map contours. LIDAR shows North Maroon's summit as 329' above the Maroon - N. Maroon saddle (vs. 234' previously). For details, see https://www.listsofjohn.com/peak/63

Excellent. Thank You.