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SnowAlien wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:55 pm
Witnessed it firsthand.
STRELNIKOV!!!
Well, this just shows your lack of understanding of the historical timeline. Collectivization happened well after the conclusion of the Russian Civil War. Instead of watching Dr Zhivago (movie) you may read Sholokhov's "Virgin Soil Upturned" for the literary description of the events. Probably easier just to stick with Wikipedia though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collect ... viet_Union
Really? From the NBC article: Just 40 percent of families can afford beef and nearly two-thirds of the population reported losing weight last year, by 11 kilos (24 lb) on average, according to a study by three universities.
SnowAlien wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:55 pm
Witnessed it firsthand.
STRELNIKOV!!!
Well, this just shows your lack of understanding of the historical timeline. Collectivization happened well after the conclusion of the Russian Civil War. Instead of watching Dr Zhivago (movie) you may read Sholokhov's "Virgin Soil Upturned" for the literary description of the events. Probably easier just to stick with Wikipedia though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collect ... viet_Union
Maybe I will, it is not impossible. I've read "Tikhiy Don" about 40 years ago and it was pretty painful, but not complete disaster. I would call it Type II fun.
cedica wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 2:33 pm
Maybe I will, it is not impossible. I've read "Tikhiy Don" about 40 years ago and it was pretty painful, but not complete disaster. I would call it Type II fun.
Impressed! Tikhiy Don is a better read than Podnyataya Celina. We had to read all that stuff in high school. I read Dr Zhivago much later since Pasternak wasn't allowed until after 1991.
mtree wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:43 pm
Did someone say GRIZZLYS kill cows?!!! Dang it! When did they reintroduce grizzly bears? I don't recall any vote on bears. I remember the vote on full strength beer in grocery stores, but maybe I was drunk when I voted for that one. So, I was really voting on full strength BEARS instead of beers. Well, that explains it then. Geesh. I need to switch to weed. This is getting out of control.
Sorry, cows. I messed up.
This rant makes you look silly. That's what you took from what I said? yikes
SkaredShtles wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:14 pm
Maybe *someone* expected there to be no livestock predation with wolf reintroduction, but this was an *expected* outcome for anyone who even superficially educated themselves. And mitigation efforts were enacted, from my understanding.
So... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agree. But you would be surprised how little people know about wolves. They are indeed killing machines. It's going to get real interesting when they get established here and you see some decent sized packs. Big wolf packs outside Yellowstone are pretty rare these days since in 85% of Wyoming you can shoot them on sight. A bigger pack is not going to last long in Wyoming. Compared to inside Yellowstone where are some packs that range from 15-20 for instance.
SkaredShtles wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:14 pm
Maybe *someone* expected there to be no livestock predation with wolf reintroduction, but this was an *expected* outcome for anyone who even superficially educated themselves. And mitigation efforts were enacted, from my understanding.
So... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agree. But you would be surprised how little people know about wolves. They are indeed killing machines. It's going to get real interesting when they get established here and you see some decent sized packs. Big wolf packs outside Yellowstone are pretty rare these days since in 85% of Wyoming you can shoot them on sight. A bigger pack is not going to last long in Wyoming. Compared to inside Yellowstone where are some packs that range from 15-20 for instance.
It is estimated the Upper Midwest has a population of 4200 wolves. Perhaps they are decimating the livestock population there and we're just not hearing about it?
mtree wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:43 pm
Did someone say GRIZZLYS kill cows?!!! Dang it! When did they reintroduce grizzly bears? I don't recall any vote on bears. I remember the vote on full strength beer in grocery stores, but maybe I was drunk when I voted for that one. So, I was really voting on full strength BEARS instead of beers. Well, that explains it then. Geesh. I need to switch to weed. This is getting out of control.
Sorry, cows. I messed up.
This rant makes you look silly. That's what you took from what I said? yikes
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I read Dr Zhivago much later since Pasternak wasn't allowed until after 1991.
But I still like steaks more.
But I still like steaks more.
